[Vision2020] Cain Quits

Sat Dec 3 19:11:49 PST 2011

"When we elect (or appoint) someone to public  office, we would like to be able to trust them -- to believe that they will try  to do what they promise and to believe what they say, that they will not  change their positions without reasonable  and good cause, and when they do  change their position, they will tell us truthfully why."--W. F.

If I were to line up people according to trustworthiness, I think elected officials would be somewhere on the tail end of that line. 

Donovan Arnold

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 From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
To: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Cain Quits

If committing adultery is a disqualification for 
running for public off, the about 2/3 of women and 3/4 to 4/5 men in the U.S. 
could not run. 

I think, however, Darrell, your point about the 
oath has some merit. 

When we elect (or appoint) someone to public 
office, we would like to be able to trust them -- to believe that they will try 
to do what they promise and to believe what they say, that they will not 
change their positions without reasonable  and good cause, and when they do 
change their position, they will tell us truthfully why. 

However, in reality it is not that simple.  
It's what you can trust public officials with that's 
important. 

You've probably heard the following from the 
stumper rancher's sayings of wisdom: 

"You can trust him/her with your wife/husband, 
but not your pocketbook."  Or visa versa. 
"You can trust her/him with $10, but not with 
$10,000." Or visa versa 

In the scheme of things, size matters.  
Adultery is is a small transgression compared to, for example, not 
promoting the regulation of the financial industry in such a way so that it 
can't almost bankrupt the country or rape the the average citizen, or going to a 
war, expensive in human misery and costs in dollars, on knowingly very flimsy 
evidence of WMDs. 

[As an aside, I notice that Mrs. Cain was 
remarkable in the lack of enthusiasm she has shown for her husband the two 
or three times that she has agreed to appear in public with him.  Newt 
Gingrich does not look like Dorian Gray, but he does look like the 
portrait.] 

Our country is hurting for honest, capable 
leadership not beholden to any specific special interest.  I am afraid that 
I don't see any immediate solution to this problem. 

w. 

From: Darrell Keim  
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:55 PM 
To: Art 
Deco  
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com  
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Cain Quits 
Timing.  Gingrich infidelity is old news.  
Gingrich was chock full of hypocrisy at the time!  The man in the glass 
house literally was throwing stones...

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

>While I wouldn't vote for either of them, why  is adultery a deal breaker for Cain, but not for Gingrich? 
>  
>For me, it's not the adultery, but the  hypocrisy of being a "family values" advocate while committing  adultery. 
>  
>w. 
>
> 
>From: Paul Rumelhart  
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:39 PM 
>To: Darrell Keim  
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com  
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Cain Quits 
>
>
>I would think that we should be more concerned about how 
  well he is able to perform his job duties, first and foremost.
>
>However, 
  if we want to talk about honesty and integrity then we shouldn't judge Cain 
  before we know for sure whether or not he actually committed adultery.  
  From what I've heard, she says he did and he says he didn't.  Each one of 
  them has reason enough to lie about it.  I'm not a Cain supporter, but I 
  hate to see someone driven from the race because of sex.  As long as he 
  sticks to human beings old enough to legally consent to sex, I don't care what 
  he does in the bedroom.
>
>Paul
>
>On 12/03/2011 01:31 PM, Darrell 
  Keim wrote: 
>If he couldn't keep an oath to his wife, why should  we think he can keep the presidential oath?
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>HONESTY . . . INTEGRITY . . . LOYALTY. 
>>>
>>>
>>>Seeya round town, Moscow. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Tom Hansen 
>>>Moscow, Idaho 
>>>
>>> 
>>>"If not us, who? 
>>>If not now, when?" 
>>>
>>> 
>>>- Unknown 
>>>
>>>On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>>Why do people look to the President as a model of family 
        values, anyway?  The President doesn't affect much in that regard, 
        since the President doesn't author legislation.  He's a public 
        servant doing a specific job.  I no more care if he is unfaithful 
        to his significant other than I care if my local librarian is.  
        Which is not much, since it's not my business.
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>On 
        12/03/2011 11:10 AM, Nicholas Gier wrote: 
>>>>Herman Cain announced on Saturday that he is suspending his  campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. 
>>>>>The news comes in the wake of Cain being accused of having an  extramarital affair and sexual harassment charges from more than a  decade ago resurfacing. The former CEO of Godfather's Pizza has  vehemently denied any wrongdoing amid the controversy.  
>>>>>On Saturday, Cain called the allegations "false" and said that they  have had a "tremendous" and "painful price" on his family. His wife,  Gloria Cain, stood behind him on stage as he spoke in their home stage  of Georgia.  
>>>>>Looking to the future, Cain told his supporters that he is now  turning to "Plan B," a new effort and website (TheCainSolutions.com) working "to be a voice for the  people."
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