[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
Saundra Lund
v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
Wed Oct 13 13:51:04 PDT 2010
I dispute it was "only under duress"; nonetheless, even if we accept your
premise, it's still a great deal more than Bouma has done with his very own
Jeremiah Wright situation. Heck -- I think a greater argument can be made
that Bouma supports his freakish pastor's views because both Bouma & his son
have given sermons in place of their pastor.
For someone who got his undies in such a bunch about Obama & Wright, it's
inexplicable that you've not bothered to inform yourself about this with
respect to Bouma. Shame on you.
Point blank: the people of Latah County deserve better than a theocrat
wannabe who supports the Establishment & Free Exercise clauses of the First
Amendment of this great nation's Constitution ***only*** for those who
believe in his particular brand of Christianity.
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
~ Edmund Burke
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of lfalen
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:22 PM
To: Sue Hovey; Rosemary; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
Only under duress.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:50:03 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com,
"'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> Roger, you're the one who used Wright as the hallmark. The point is
> Obama did respond to Wright's remarks. See you Friday.
>
> Sue
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:29 AM
> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary"
> <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>
> > Sue
> > Obama sat in Wright;s church for 20 years and did not repudiate what
> > he said. If fact he said when the story first broke, " I could no
> > more reputiate him than I could a beloved uncle" . That may not be
> > an exact quote, but it is close. He only repudiated him when if
> > became politically expediant to do so. I do not know any thing
> > about what is going on at Freeze church, so will not comment on it,
> > other than to say that I do not hold any thing against any religion
> > that in general follows the goden rule. I think that it is fine to
preach hate the sin, love the sinner.
> > Those that preach against what they prececive as a sin, but also
> > tolerance are fine. It they advocate action against those they
> > disagree with then they are wrong.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:10:13 -0700
> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary"
> > donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> Well, if you remember, Obama has in fact distanced himself from
> >> Wright and repudiated what Wright said. I think that's what folks
> >> are asking of members of the Freeze Church. Gresham Bouma is a
> >> member of that congregation. It is certainly a legitimate position
> >> to take when one says
> >> his lack of disagreement with those positions, implies consent.
I've
> >> spent much of today reading the sermons of this pastor on the
> >> Freeze Church website. Frankly, I'm appalled. In the first place
> >> he seems not to care he's violating Federal law when he promotes a
> >> candidate from the pulpit.
> >> He
> >> also makes a rather pointed effort to castigate almost everyone as
> >> not a true "Christian" who does not believe exactly as he does.
> >> His biblical tirades against LDS, Catholic, Muslims and others
> >> should either be repudiated (as Obama did relative to Wright) or
> >> those church members can logically be assumed to agree with Mr. Knerr,
their arrogant pastor.
> >>
> >> Sue Hovey
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
> >> To: "Rosemary" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >>
> >> > Rose
> >> > I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd
> >> > Knerr, but do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all
> >> > fine people. I am not a Mormon, but do have friends and family
> >> > that are. Some of the things that you attribute to Mr. Knerr may
> >> > well have been part of the original tenets of The LDS church. I
> >> > do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them today. I would be
> >> > curious about whether you are just as concerned about Obama
> >> > seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
> >> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> >> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Roger,
> >> >>
> >> >> Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah
> >> >> County I bring the following concern to you. I would appreciate
> >> >> it if you forward this email to members of the Latah Republican
> >> >> Executive Committee and Mr.
> >> >> Bouma himself. Actually, Ike Young might have more than a
> >> >> passing interest in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the
> >> >> sermon below so please copy him as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had
> >> >> many LDS friends. With that in mind, I have grave reservations
> >> >> about Mr.
> >> >> Bouma,
> >> >> if
> >> >> he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude
> >> >> of his pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr.
> >> >> Bouma is in agreement with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not
> >> >> deserve the support of thoughtful Latah County voters. If Mr.
> >> >> Bouma is elected, and I hope that he won't be, how effective
> >> >> will he be in working with legislators who are LDS? Do you
> >> >> imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
> >> >>
> >> >> Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation
> >> >> will be of interest to many 2020 followers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rose Huskey
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> **************
> >> >>
> >> >> Freeze Community Church,
> >> >> Pastor Lloyd Knerr
> >> >>
> >> >> 08/29/2010
> >> >>
> >> >> Ecclesiastes, part 2
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorS
> >> >> cheme=red&he
> >> >> ader=&button=buttons1
> >> >>
> >> >> "Permit me to do a little side bar. What got me thinking about
> >> >> false religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was
> >> >> an event that took place this weekend. I know I may not be too
> >> >> popular with some of you for my stance, but I think this
> >> >> "Restoring Honor" gathering in Washington DC yesterday headed up
> >> >> by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as the infiltration of
> >> >> our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return
> >> >> to God and His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on.
> >> >> On the surface, a Christian could hardly be opposed to that
> >> >> call. After all, Sarah Palin stood on that same lectern and
> >> >> agreed with everything Beck said.
> >> >>
> >> >> 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with
> >> >> him on the Stage.
> >> >>
> >> >> But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
> >> >> Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
> >> >>
> >> >> I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little
> >> >> information on Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god
> >> >> to take back America.
> >> >> The
> >> >> Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I. He was
> >> >> born of a human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon."
> >> >> His parents gave him the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his
> >> >> thousands of wives, on this star, "Kolon." He supposedly lived
> >> >> such a righteous, Mormon life that he was elevated to become the
> >> >> god of his own world, which was to be called "Earth."
> >> >> This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.
> >> >> All of the gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to
> >> >> decide which of "Elohim's"
> >> >> children would be chosen to become the savior.
> >> >>
> >> >> It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer. Yes,
> >> >> that Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was
> >> >> chosen. Lucifer was so angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit
> >> >> population of Kolon to go to earth with him to oppose his
> >> >> brother Jesus.
> >> >>
> >> >> These became his demons. Those who remained neutral in the
> >> >> battle between Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black
> >> >> skin. This is the Mormon explanation for the negro race. Those
> >> >> good, Mormon spirits who supported Jesus would be born with
> >> >> white skin.
> >> >>
> >> >> Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot
> >> >> Adam and Eve.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the
> >> >> Virgin Mary, who begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a
> >> >> body. The Mormons teach that Jesus took three wives, Mary,
> >> >> Martha and Mary Magdalene and fathered many children with them.
> >> >> After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came to the Americas and
> >> >> evangelized the Indians.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the
> >> >> Mormon religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck
> >> >> tells you that you serve the same god that he does, he's a liar.
> >> >> I am appalled at the number of Christians who follow this false
> >> >> prophet. He believes that the Constitution of the United States
> >> >> was directly inspired by God and elevates it even above
> >> >> scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth
> >> >> to protect that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of
> >> >> America and the preservation of our Constitution will only come
> >> >> from the Mormon church.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the
> >> >> day will come when you will realize that you have been sadly
> >> >> mistaken. I would guess that 90% of estimated half a million
> >> >> people who attended that rally in D.C.
> >> >> would
> >> >> call themselves Christian. If that's true, the church in
> >> >> America today is in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon
> >> >> was right; there's nothing
> >> >> new in this. Satan and his minions have been rebelling against the
> >> >> true
> >> >> God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.
> >> >> He has been sending his prophets into the world since day one.
> >> >> The true Jesus says that in the last days, many will be
> >> >> deceived. I pray that you will not be one of them. Okay, sorry
> >> >> for letting off so much steam, but this, "it doesn't make any
> >> >> difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more than
> >> >> I can take."
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
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