[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Wed Oct 13 12:22:00 PDT 2010


Only under duress.
Roger
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From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:50:03 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

> Roger,  you're the one who used Wright as the hallmark.  The point is Obama 
> did respond to Wright's remarks.  See you Friday.
> 
> Sue
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:29 AM
> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary" 
> <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> 
> > Sue
> > Obama sat in Wright;s church for 20 years and did not repudiate what he 
> > said. If fact he said when the story first broke, " I could no more 
> > reputiate him than I could a beloved uncle" . That may not be an exact 
> > quote, but it is close. He only repudiated him when if became politically 
> > expediant to do so. I do not know any thing  about what is going on at 
> > Freeze church, so will not comment on it, other than to say that I do not 
> > hold any thing against any religion that in general follows the goden 
> > rule. I think that it is fine to preach hate the sin, love the sinner. 
> > Those that preach against what they prececive as a sin, but also tolerance 
> > are fine. It they advocate action against those they disagree with then 
> > they are wrong.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:10:13 -0700
> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, 
> > "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> Well, if you remember, Obama has in fact distanced himself from Wright 
> >> and
> >> repudiated what Wright said.  I think that's what folks are asking of
> >> members of the Freeze Church. Gresham Bouma is a member of that
> >> congregation.  It is certainly a legitimate position to take when one 
> >> says
> >> his lack of disagreement with those positions, implies consent.     I've
> >> spent much of today reading the sermons of this pastor on the Freeze 
> >> Church
> >> website.  Frankly, I'm appalled.  In the first place he seems not to care
> >> he's violating Federal law when he promotes a candidate from the pulpit. 
> >> He
> >> also makes a rather pointed effort to castigate almost everyone as not a
> >> true "Christian" who does not believe exactly as he does.  His biblical
> >> tirades against LDS, Catholic, Muslims and others should either be
> >> repudiated (as Obama did relative to Wright) or those church members can
> >> logically be assumed to agree with Mr. Knerr, their arrogant pastor.
> >>
> >> Sue Hovey
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
> >> To: "Rosemary" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >>
> >> > Rose
> >> > I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd Knerr, 
> >> > but
> >> > do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all fine people. I am 
> >> > not a
> >> > Mormon, but do have friends and family that are. Some of the things 
> >> > that
> >> > you attribute to Mr. Knerr may well have been part of the original 
> >> > tenets
> >> > of The LDS church. I do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them
> >> > today. I would be curious about whether you are just as concerned about
> >> > Obama seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
> >> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> >> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Roger,
> >> >>
> >> >> Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah County 
> >> >> I
> >> >> bring the following concern to you.  I would appreciate it if you 
> >> >> forward
> >> >> this email to members of the Latah Republican Executive Committee and 
> >> >> Mr.
> >> >> Bouma himself.  Actually, Ike Young might have more than a passing
> >> >> interest
> >> >> in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the sermon below so please 
> >> >> copy
> >> >> him
> >> >> as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had many 
> >> >> LDS
> >> >> friends.  With that in mind, I have grave reservations about Mr. 
> >> >> Bouma,
> >> >> if
> >> >> he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude of 
> >> >> his
> >> >> pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr. Bouma is in
> >> >> agreement
> >> >> with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not deserve the support of 
> >> >> thoughtful
> >> >> Latah County voters.  If Mr. Bouma is elected, and I hope that he 
> >> >> won't
> >> >> be,
> >> >> how effective will he be in working with legislators who are LDS?  Do 
> >> >> you
> >> >> imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
> >> >>
> >> >> Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation will be 
> >> >> of
> >> >> interest to many 2020 followers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rose Huskey
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> **************
> >> >>
> >> >> Freeze Community Church,
> >> >> Pastor Lloyd Knerr
> >> >>
> >> >> 08/29/2010
> >> >>
> >> >> Ecclesiastes, part 2
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorScheme=red&he
> >> >> ader=&button=buttons1
> >> >>
> >> >> "Permit me to do a little side bar.  What got me thinking about false
> >> >> religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was an event 
> >> >> that
> >> >> took place this weekend.  I know I may not be too popular with some of
> >> >> you
> >> >> for my stance, but I think this "Restoring Honor" gathering in 
> >> >> Washington
> >> >> DC
> >> >> yesterday headed up by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as the
> >> >> infiltration of our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return to God 
> >> >> and
> >> >> His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on. On the surface, a
> >> >> Christian could hardly be opposed to that call.  After all, Sarah 
> >> >> Palin
> >> >> stood on that same lectern and agreed with everything Beck said.
> >> >>
> >> >> 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with him 
> >> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> Stage.
> >> >>
> >> >> But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
> >> >> Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
> >> >>
> >> >> I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little information 
> >> >> on
> >> >> Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god to take back America.
> >> >> The
> >> >> Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I.  He was born of 
> >> >> a
> >> >> human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon." His parents 
> >> >> gave
> >> >> him
> >> >> the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his thousands of wives, on this 
> >> >> star,
> >> >> "Kolon." He supposedly lived such a righteous, Mormon life that he was
> >> >> elevated to become the god of his own world, which was to be called
> >> >> "Earth."
> >> >> This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.  All of 
> >> >> the
> >> >> gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to decide which of
> >> >> "Elohim's"
> >> >> children would be chosen to become the savior.
> >> >>
> >> >> It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer.  Yes, that
> >> >> Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was chosen.  Lucifer 
> >> >> was
> >> >> so
> >> >> angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit population of Kolon to go to
> >> >> earth
> >> >> with him to oppose his brother Jesus.
> >> >>
> >> >> These became his demons.  Those who remained neutral in the battle
> >> >> between
> >> >> Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the
> >> >> Mormon
> >> >> explanation for the negro race.  Those good, Mormon spirits who 
> >> >> supported
> >> >> Jesus would be born with white skin.
> >> >>
> >> >> Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot Adam 
> >> >> and
> >> >> Eve.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the Virgin 
> >> >> Mary,
> >> >> who
> >> >> begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a body.  The Mormons 
> >> >> teach
> >> >> that
> >> >> Jesus took three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene and fathered 
> >> >> many
> >> >> children with them.  After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came to 
> >> >> the
> >> >> Americas and evangelized the Indians.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the Mormon
> >> >> religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that 
> >> >> you
> >> >> serve the same god that he does, he's a liar. I am appalled at the 
> >> >> number
> >> >> of
> >> >> Christians who follow this false prophet. He believes that the
> >> >> Constitution
> >> >> of the United States was directly inspired by God and elevates it even
> >> >> above
> >> >> scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth to
> >> >> protect
> >> >> that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of America and the
> >> >> preservation of our Constitution will only come from the Mormon 
> >> >> church.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the day 
> >> >> will
> >> >> come
> >> >> when you will realize that you have been sadly mistaken. I would guess
> >> >> that
> >> >> 90% of estimated half a million people who attended that rally in D.C.
> >> >> would
> >> >> call themselves Christian.  If that's true, the church in America 
> >> >> today
> >> >> is
> >> >> in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon was right; there's
> >> >> nothing
> >> >> new in this.   Satan and his minions have been rebelling against the 
> >> >> true
> >> >> God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.  He 
> >> >> has
> >> >> been
> >> >> sending his prophets into the world since day one. The true Jesus says
> >> >> that
> >> >> in the last days, many will be deceived.  I pray that you will not be 
> >> >> one
> >> >> of
> >> >> them.  Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but this, "it 
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> make
> >> >> any difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more than I
> >> >> can
> >> >> take."
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
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