[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

Sue Hovey suehovey at moscow.com
Wed Oct 13 21:15:45 PDT 2010 

Roger,  I do hope your remark was not to indicate you'd see me on Friday, 
"only under duress....."   Just kidding.

Sue

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From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:22 PM
To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary" 
<donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

> Only under duress.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:50:03 -0700
> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, 
> "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>
>> Roger,  you're the one who used Wright as the hallmark.  The point is 
>> Obama
>> did respond to Wright's remarks.  See you Friday.
>>
>> Sue
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:29 AM
>> To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary"
>> <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>>
>> > Sue
>> > Obama sat in Wright;s church for 20 years and did not repudiate what he
>> > said. If fact he said when the story first broke, " I could no more
>> > reputiate him than I could a beloved uncle" . That may not be an exact
>> > quote, but it is close. He only repudiated him when if became 
>> > politically
>> > expediant to do so. I do not know any thing  about what is going on at
>> > Freeze church, so will not comment on it, other than to say that I do 
>> > not
>> > hold any thing against any religion that in general follows the goden
>> > rule. I think that it is fine to preach hate the sin, love the sinner.
>> > Those that preach against what they prececive as a sin, but also 
>> > tolerance
>> > are fine. It they advocate action against those they disagree with then
>> > they are wrong.
>> > Roger
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
>> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:10:13 -0700
>> > To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" 
>> > donaldrose at cpcinternet.com,
>> > "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>> >
>> >> Roger,
>> >>
>> >> Well, if you remember, Obama has in fact distanced himself from Wright
>> >> and
>> >> repudiated what Wright said.  I think that's what folks are asking of
>> >> members of the Freeze Church. Gresham Bouma is a member of that
>> >> congregation.  It is certainly a legitimate position to take when one
>> >> says
>> >> his lack of disagreement with those positions, implies consent. 
>> >> I've
>> >> spent much of today reading the sermons of this pastor on the Freeze
>> >> Church
>> >> website.  Frankly, I'm appalled.  In the first place he seems not to 
>> >> care
>> >> he's violating Federal law when he promotes a candidate from the 
>> >> pulpit.
>> >> He
>> >> also makes a rather pointed effort to castigate almost everyone as not 
>> >> a
>> >> true "Christian" who does not believe exactly as he does.  His 
>> >> biblical
>> >> tirades against LDS, Catholic, Muslims and others should either be
>> >> repudiated (as Obama did relative to Wright) or those church members 
>> >> can
>> >> logically be assumed to agree with Mr. Knerr, their arrogant pastor.
>> >>
>> >> Sue Hovey
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
>> >> To: "Rosemary" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
>> >> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>> >>
>> >> > Rose
>> >> > I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd 
>> >> > Knerr,
>> >> > but
>> >> > do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all fine people. I am
>> >> > not a
>> >> > Mormon, but do have friends and family that are. Some of the things
>> >> > that
>> >> > you attribute to Mr. Knerr may well have been part of the original
>> >> > tenets
>> >> > of The LDS church. I do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them
>> >> > today. I would be curious about whether you are just as concerned 
>> >> > about
>> >> > Obama seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
>> >> > Roger
>> >> > -----Original message-----
>> >> > From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
>> >> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
>> >> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
>> >> > vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear Roger,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah 
>> >> >> County
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> bring the following concern to you.  I would appreciate it if you
>> >> >> forward
>> >> >> this email to members of the Latah Republican Executive Committee 
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Mr.
>> >> >> Bouma himself.  Actually, Ike Young might have more than a passing
>> >> >> interest
>> >> >> in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the sermon below so please
>> >> >> copy
>> >> >> him
>> >> >> as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had 
>> >> >> many
>> >> >> LDS
>> >> >> friends.  With that in mind, I have grave reservations about Mr.
>> >> >> Bouma,
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude of
>> >> >> his
>> >> >> pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr. Bouma is in
>> >> >> agreement
>> >> >> with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not deserve the support of
>> >> >> thoughtful
>> >> >> Latah County voters.  If Mr. Bouma is elected, and I hope that he
>> >> >> won't
>> >> >> be,
>> >> >> how effective will he be in working with legislators who are LDS? 
>> >> >> Do
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation will 
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> interest to many 2020 followers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rose Huskey
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> **************
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Freeze Community Church,
>> >> >> Pastor Lloyd Knerr
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 08/29/2010
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ecclesiastes, part 2
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorScheme=red&he
>> >> >> ader=&button=buttons1
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Permit me to do a little side bar.  What got me thinking about 
>> >> >> false
>> >> >> religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was an event
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> took place this weekend.  I know I may not be too popular with some 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> for my stance, but I think this "Restoring Honor" gathering in
>> >> >> Washington
>> >> >> DC
>> >> >> yesterday headed up by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as 
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> infiltration of our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return to 
>> >> >> God
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on. On the surface, 
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> Christian could hardly be opposed to that call.  After all, Sarah
>> >> >> Palin
>> >> >> stood on that same lectern and agreed with everything Beck said.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with 
>> >> >> him
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Stage.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
>> >> >> Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little 
>> >> >> information
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god to take back 
>> >> >> America.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I.  He was born 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon." His parents
>> >> >> gave
>> >> >> him
>> >> >> the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his thousands of wives, on this
>> >> >> star,
>> >> >> "Kolon." He supposedly lived such a righteous, Mormon life that he 
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> elevated to become the god of his own world, which was to be called
>> >> >> "Earth."
>> >> >> This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.  All 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to decide which of
>> >> >> "Elohim's"
>> >> >> children would be chosen to become the savior.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer.  Yes, 
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was chosen. 
>> >> >> Lucifer
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit population of Kolon to go 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> earth
>> >> >> with him to oppose his brother Jesus.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These became his demons.  Those who remained neutral in the battle
>> >> >> between
>> >> >> Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the
>> >> >> Mormon
>> >> >> explanation for the negro race.  Those good, Mormon spirits who
>> >> >> supported
>> >> >> Jesus would be born with white skin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot 
>> >> >> Adam
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Eve.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the Virgin
>> >> >> Mary,
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a body.  The Mormons
>> >> >> teach
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> Jesus took three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene and 
>> >> >> fathered
>> >> >> many
>> >> >> children with them.  After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Americas and evangelized the Indians.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the 
>> >> >> Mormon
>> >> >> religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> serve the same god that he does, he's a liar. I am appalled at the
>> >> >> number
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> Christians who follow this false prophet. He believes that the
>> >> >> Constitution
>> >> >> of the United States was directly inspired by God and elevates it 
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> above
>> >> >> scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth to
>> >> >> protect
>> >> >> that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of America and 
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> preservation of our Constitution will only come from the Mormon
>> >> >> church.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the day
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> come
>> >> >> when you will realize that you have been sadly mistaken. I would 
>> >> >> guess
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> 90% of estimated half a million people who attended that rally in 
>> >> >> D.C.
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> call themselves Christian.  If that's true, the church in America
>> >> >> today
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon was right; there's
>> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> new in this.   Satan and his minions have been rebelling against 
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> true
>> >> >> God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.  He
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> been
>> >> >> sending his prophets into the world since day one. The true Jesus 
>> >> >> says
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> in the last days, many will be deceived.  I pray that you will not 
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> them.  Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but this, "it
>> >> >> doesn't
>> >> >> make
>> >> >> any difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more 
>> >> >> than I
>> >> >> can
>> >> >> take."
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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