[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

Sue Hovey suehovey at moscow.com
Wed Oct 13 10:50:03 PDT 2010 

Roger,  you're the one who used Wright as the hallmark.  The point is Obama 
did respond to Wright's remarks.  See you Friday.

Sue

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From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:29 AM
To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>; "Rosemary" 
<donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

> Sue
> Obama sat in Wright;s church for 20 years and did not repudiate what he 
> said. If fact he said when the story first broke, " I could no more 
> reputiate him than I could a beloved uncle" . That may not be an exact 
> quote, but it is close. He only repudiated him when if became politically 
> expediant to do so. I do not know any thing  about what is going on at 
> Freeze church, so will not comment on it, other than to say that I do not 
> hold any thing against any religion that in general follows the goden 
> rule. I think that it is fine to preach hate the sin, love the sinner. 
> Those that preach against what they prececive as a sin, but also tolerance 
> are fine. It they advocate action against those they disagree with then 
> they are wrong.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Sue Hovey" suehovey at moscow.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:10:13 -0700
> To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com, 
> "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> Well, if you remember, Obama has in fact distanced himself from Wright 
>> and
>> repudiated what Wright said.  I think that's what folks are asking of
>> members of the Freeze Church. Gresham Bouma is a member of that
>> congregation.  It is certainly a legitimate position to take when one 
>> says
>> his lack of disagreement with those positions, implies consent.     I've
>> spent much of today reading the sermons of this pastor on the Freeze 
>> Church
>> website.  Frankly, I'm appalled.  In the first place he seems not to care
>> he's violating Federal law when he promotes a candidate from the pulpit. 
>> He
>> also makes a rather pointed effort to castigate almost everyone as not a
>> true "Christian" who does not believe exactly as he does.  His biblical
>> tirades against LDS, Catholic, Muslims and others should either be
>> repudiated (as Obama did relative to Wright) or those church members can
>> logically be assumed to agree with Mr. Knerr, their arrogant pastor.
>>
>> Sue Hovey
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
>> To: "Rosemary" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>>
>> > Rose
>> > I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd Knerr, 
>> > but
>> > do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all fine people. I am 
>> > not a
>> > Mormon, but do have friends and family that are. Some of the things 
>> > that
>> > you attribute to Mr. Knerr may well have been part of the original 
>> > tenets
>> > of The LDS church. I do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them
>> > today. I would be curious about whether you are just as concerned about
>> > Obama seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
>> > Roger
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
>> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
>> > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
>> > vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
>> >
>> >> Dear Roger,
>> >>
>> >> Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah County 
>> >> I
>> >> bring the following concern to you.  I would appreciate it if you 
>> >> forward
>> >> this email to members of the Latah Republican Executive Committee and 
>> >> Mr.
>> >> Bouma himself.  Actually, Ike Young might have more than a passing
>> >> interest
>> >> in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the sermon below so please 
>> >> copy
>> >> him
>> >> as well.
>> >>
>> >> Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had many 
>> >> LDS
>> >> friends.  With that in mind, I have grave reservations about Mr. 
>> >> Bouma,
>> >> if
>> >> he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude of 
>> >> his
>> >> pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr. Bouma is in
>> >> agreement
>> >> with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not deserve the support of 
>> >> thoughtful
>> >> Latah County voters.  If Mr. Bouma is elected, and I hope that he 
>> >> won't
>> >> be,
>> >> how effective will he be in working with legislators who are LDS?  Do 
>> >> you
>> >> imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
>> >>
>> >> Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation will be 
>> >> of
>> >> interest to many 2020 followers.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
>> >>
>> >> Rose Huskey
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> **************
>> >>
>> >> Freeze Community Church,
>> >> Pastor Lloyd Knerr
>> >>
>> >> 08/29/2010
>> >>
>> >> Ecclesiastes, part 2
>> >>
>> >> http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorScheme=red&he
>> >> ader=&button=buttons1
>> >>
>> >> "Permit me to do a little side bar.  What got me thinking about false
>> >> religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was an event 
>> >> that
>> >> took place this weekend.  I know I may not be too popular with some of
>> >> you
>> >> for my stance, but I think this "Restoring Honor" gathering in 
>> >> Washington
>> >> DC
>> >> yesterday headed up by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as the
>> >> infiltration of our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return to God 
>> >> and
>> >> His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on. On the surface, a
>> >> Christian could hardly be opposed to that call.  After all, Sarah 
>> >> Palin
>> >> stood on that same lectern and agreed with everything Beck said.
>> >>
>> >> 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with him 
>> >> on
>> >> the
>> >> Stage.
>> >>
>> >> But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
>> >> Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
>> >>
>> >> I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little information 
>> >> on
>> >> Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god to take back America.
>> >> The
>> >> Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I.  He was born of 
>> >> a
>> >> human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon." His parents 
>> >> gave
>> >> him
>> >> the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his thousands of wives, on this 
>> >> star,
>> >> "Kolon." He supposedly lived such a righteous, Mormon life that he was
>> >> elevated to become the god of his own world, which was to be called
>> >> "Earth."
>> >> This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.  All of 
>> >> the
>> >> gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to decide which of
>> >> "Elohim's"
>> >> children would be chosen to become the savior.
>> >>
>> >> It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer.  Yes, that
>> >> Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was chosen.  Lucifer 
>> >> was
>> >> so
>> >> angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit population of Kolon to go to
>> >> earth
>> >> with him to oppose his brother Jesus.
>> >>
>> >> These became his demons.  Those who remained neutral in the battle
>> >> between
>> >> Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the
>> >> Mormon
>> >> explanation for the negro race.  Those good, Mormon spirits who 
>> >> supported
>> >> Jesus would be born with white skin.
>> >>
>> >> Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot Adam 
>> >> and
>> >> Eve.
>> >>
>> >> Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the Virgin 
>> >> Mary,
>> >> who
>> >> begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a body.  The Mormons 
>> >> teach
>> >> that
>> >> Jesus took three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene and fathered 
>> >> many
>> >> children with them.  After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came to 
>> >> the
>> >> Americas and evangelized the Indians.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the Mormon
>> >> religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that 
>> >> you
>> >> serve the same god that he does, he's a liar. I am appalled at the 
>> >> number
>> >> of
>> >> Christians who follow this false prophet. He believes that the
>> >> Constitution
>> >> of the United States was directly inspired by God and elevates it even
>> >> above
>> >> scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth to
>> >> protect
>> >> that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of America and the
>> >> preservation of our Constitution will only come from the Mormon 
>> >> church.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the day 
>> >> will
>> >> come
>> >> when you will realize that you have been sadly mistaken. I would guess
>> >> that
>> >> 90% of estimated half a million people who attended that rally in D.C.
>> >> would
>> >> call themselves Christian.  If that's true, the church in America 
>> >> today
>> >> is
>> >> in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon was right; there's
>> >> nothing
>> >> new in this.   Satan and his minions have been rebelling against the 
>> >> true
>> >> God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.  He 
>> >> has
>> >> been
>> >> sending his prophets into the world since day one. The true Jesus says
>> >> that
>> >> in the last days, many will be deceived.  I pray that you will not be 
>> >> one
>> >> of
>> >> them.  Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but this, "it 
>> >> doesn't
>> >> make
>> >> any difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more than I
>> >> can
>> >> take."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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