[Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

Wed Oct 13 09:37:11 PDT 2010

I do not have a clue as to what Gresham's position is on on Knerr's sermons. You are certainly welcome to ask him. 
Roger
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From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:50:23 -0700
To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate

> Hi Roger,
> I am not in the habit of publishing rumors.  The link in the email will lead you directly to the text of the sermon delivered by Mr. Knerr.  Further, I am not commenting on either the theological tenets of the LDS church, or for that matter the beliefs of members of Freeze Community Church.  What I am drawing attention to is the hateful rhetoric coming out of Mr. Knerr's mouth.  I felt like I was living in 1890 Idaho where LDS members were prosecuted by self-righteous bigots.  If the sneering and insulting tone of this sermon reflects the attitude of Freeze Community church members toward our LDS friends and neighbors I am certain that Mr. Bouma would not be an effective (if elected) representative of Latah County.
> 
> Rose Huskey
> 
> PS.  If I were you, I would hesitate to draw an analogy between President Obama and Gresham Bouma.  Are you are suggesting that Mr. Bouma intends to repudiate the detestable sermons offered by his pastor?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: Rosemary; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> 
> Rose
> I am not in the habit of passing on rumors. I do not know Lloyd Knerr, but do know members of the Freeze Church. They are all fine people. I am not a Mormon, but do have friends and family that are. Some of the things that you attribute to Mr. Knerr may well have been part of the original tenets of The LDS church. I do not know of any Mormons that ascribe to them today. I would be curious about whether you are just as concerned about Obama seting in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Rosemary" donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:47:37 -0700
> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Concerns about a Republican Candidate
> 
> > Dear Roger,
> > 
> > Because you are an involved and well known Republican in Latah County I
> > bring the following concern to you.  I would appreciate it if you forward
> > this email to members of the Latah Republican Executive Committee and Mr.
> > Bouma himself.  Actually, Ike Young might have more than a passing interest
> > in understanding Mr. Bouma's response to the sermon below so please copy him
> > as well.
> > 
> > Over the decades that I have lived in this community I have had many LDS
> > friends.  With that in mind, I have grave reservations about Mr. Bouma, if
> > he shares the bigoted, ignorant, and mockingly derisive attitude of his
> > pastor, Lloyd Knerr of Freeze Community Church. If Mr. Bouma is in agreement
> > with Lloyd Knerr, he certainly does not deserve the support of thoughtful
> > Latah County voters.  If Mr. Bouma is elected, and I hope that he won't be,
> > how effective will he be in working with legislators who are LDS?  Do you
> > imagine that he will receive meaningful committee assignments?
> > 
> > Please respond via 2020 because I think that this conversation will be of
> > interest to many 2020 followers.
> > 
> > Thanks, Roger, for your help with this.
> > 
> > Rose Huskey
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > **************
> > 
> > Freeze Community Church, 
> > Pastor Lloyd Knerr
> > 
> > 08/29/2010
> > 
> > Ecclesiastes, part 2
> > 
> > http://www.freezechurch.org/page48.html
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > http://freezechurch.org/images/t_icon.gif?template=av-164&colorScheme=red&he
> > ader=&button=buttons1
> > 
> > "Permit me to do a little side bar.  What got me thinking about false
> > religions, and led me to watch this Benny Hinn expose, was an event that
> > took place this weekend.  I know I may not be too popular with some of you
> > for my stance, but I think this "Restoring Honor" gathering in Washington DC
> > yesterday headed up by Glenn Beck, is as dangerous to America as the
> > infiltration of our society by Islam and Sharia Law.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > He says it was not a political gathering, but a call to return to God and
> > His Laws, the Laws that this nation was founded on. On the surface, a
> > Christian could hardly be opposed to that call.  After all, Sarah Palin
> > stood on that same lectern and agreed with everything Beck said.
> > 
> > 240 clergymen from various denominations stood hand in hand with him on the
> > Stage.
> > 
> > But what god is Beck calling America to return to? Is it important?
> > Certainly he's not calling us to return to the God of the bible.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
> > 
> > I want to take a couple of minutes and give you a little information on
> > Mormonism and then decide if you want Beck's god to take back America. The
> > Mormon god was once a human being just like you or I.  He was born of a
> > human man and woman on a distant star called, "Kolon." His parents gave him
> > the name, "Elohim." He lives, with his thousands of wives, on this star,
> > "Kolon." He supposedly lived such a righteous, Mormon life that he was
> > elevated to become the god of his own world, which was to be called "Earth."
> > This god and his wives produced millions of spirit children.  All of the
> > gods of the heavenly realms gathered together to decide which of "Elohim's"
> > children would be chosen to become the savior.
> > 
> > It boiled down to his two eldest sons, Jesus and Lucifer.  Yes, that
> > Lucifer. Each gave his campaign speech and Jesus was chosen.  Lucifer was so
> > angry that he took 1/3 of all the spirit population of Kolon to go to earth
> > with him to oppose his brother Jesus.
> > 
> > These became his demons.  Those who remained neutral in the battle between
> > Jesus and Satan were cursed to be born with black skin. This is the Mormon
> > explanation for the negro race.  Those good, Mormon spirits who supported
> > Jesus would be born with white skin.
> > 
> > Elohim and one of his many spirit wives came to earth and begot Adam and
> > Eve.
> > 
> > Many years later, Elohim came to earth and had sex with the Virgin Mary, who
> > begot Jesus in human form to give his spirit a body.  The Mormons teach that
> > Jesus took three wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene and fathered many
> > children with them.  After Jesus' death and resurrection, He came to the
> > Americas and evangelized the Indians.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the Mormon
> > religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that you
> > serve the same god that he does, he's a liar. I am appalled at the number of
> > Christians who follow this false prophet. He believes that the Constitution
> > of the United States was directly inspired by God and elevates it even above
> > scripture. He believes that the Mormon church was sent to earth to protect
> > that Constitution. He believes that the salvation of America and the
> > preservation of our Constitution will only come from the Mormon church.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > If you think a man's religion doesn't make any difference, the day will come
> > when you will realize that you have been sadly mistaken. I would guess that
> > 90% of estimated half a million people who attended that rally in D.C. would
> > call themselves Christian.  If that's true, the church in America today is
> > in greater danger than I ever believed. Solomon was right; there's nothing
> > new in this.   Satan and his minions have been rebelling against the true
> > God since the very beginning and they will all ultimately fail.  He has been
> > sending his prophets into the world since day one. The true Jesus says that
> > in the last days, many will be deceived.  I pray that you will not be one of
> > them.  Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but this, "it doesn't make
> > any difference what a man's religion is" junk is sometimes more than I can
> > take."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
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