[Vision2020] Curiosity Question

Sun Nov 28 13:47:58 PST 2010

More to gain? There was a candidate for state election from one of these bigoted churches. The local Republican party seems to think this doesn't matter. Why is that not a cause for concern? 

Do we actually have to elect the bigots to office before we should care? Or is it just that they don't say things about your religion? As long as they berate the Mirmons and the Muslims it is OK?

I can understand why you might not want to speak out. I just wish you'd refrain from criticizing those who do.

On Nov 28, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure they would.  Starts to create a fact pattern.  The mere absence from participation in a specific group tells nothing.  A fact pattern is quite a different beast.
> 
> The churches and schools which you hint at below have been well analyzed on this list.  Is there more to gain by further discussion? 
> 
> I really don't think Tom was trying to make this another round of "lets beat on Christ Church."  So why go there?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> What if we have further evidence that the pastor of a particular
> church thinks that Mormons are blasphemers? Would that indicate a
> reason for their absence from the list?
> 
> What if a school affiliated with another church openly challenges
> secularists to "step into the alley" so they can be thrown "up against
> a wall, lifting wallets and the occasional gift card"? Would that
> indicate that, together with their absence from the list, indicate
> anything?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So many churches are missing that I think assuming one is trying to send a
> > message by its absence from the list is unwarranted.  Could be any number of
> > reasons why a church isn't a member of a specific interfaith group.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:37 AM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, my church, Rock Church, isn't listed.
> >>
> >> And yet I have no doubt that the spirit of offering thanksgiving to
> >> Yahweh, the Allah of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- and genuinely loving every
> >> person that God created, without exception -- is utterly consistent with my
> >> church family's commitment to demonstrating and offering
> >> Shalom/Salaam/Gospel Peace to our world.
> >>
> >> It's not that I feel the need to defend my church; it doesn't need my
> >> defense.  But while I know there are a lot of good people of faith who
> >> didn't, for whatever reason, attend the dinner, the current climate of what
> >> passes for Christianity on the Palouse does raise questions about whether a
> >> church group's non-attendance is innocuous, meant to send a message, or was
> >> an intentional rejection of the event's purpose.  I think that our church --
> >> a dozen very diverse people intentionally without a pastor, led by two women
> >> and two men, all imperfect but committed to worshiping Christ together and
> >> living out the Gospel in the homes, church, community, and world we're in --
> >> very likely wasn't aware of the gathering.
> >>
> >> But maybe some were; I don't know.  I do know that at Rock, we tend to
> >> equip, encourage, and expect  our sisters and brothers to do whatever it is
> >> God has called them to do in the world, and do so as individuals; we don't
> >> "do ministry" as a church  as much as we "do equipping" so that our people
> >> use their gifts, influence, and passion to serve their neighbors.  As I
> >> imagine is the case with all of the faithful, we want to focus on being and
> >> not simply on doing.  Our people collect Christmas presents for kids
> >> overseas, sponsor other children, practice and preach gender equality, work
> >> at the Food Bank at St. Mary's, minister at Good Sam, develop genuine
> >> friendships with people who feel unloved or outcast, volunteer with the
> >> disabled, pray consistently and fervently for peace, march in the LGBT Pride
> >> Parade, and seek out ways to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with
> >> our God.  We assume that other Christians do the same, and so do
> >> non-Christian faith-living people, and so do those who reject religious
> >> belief but give to their community.
> >>
> >> As I said, my point isn't to defend my church, although I'm always happy
> >> to introduce to others these people I love so dearly, and who, amazingly,
> >> love, respect, and support me -- that's not something I've ever had before
> >> in church.  And I think Tom raises in his question some important issues,
> >> given the bigotry permeating the Palouse in the name of Christ.  So I've
> >> answered his question, speaking only about my church as a part of it and not
> >> officially representing Rock here or anywhere else.  As always, i appreciate
> >> Tom's profound and demonstrated concern for injustice, intolerance, and
> >> incivility -- in Moscow and elsewhere.  I'm interested in what other
> >> Visionaires think.
> >>
> >> Keely
> >> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:44:06 -0800
> >> > From: thansen at moscow.com
> >> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: [Vision2020] Curiosity Question
> >> >
> >> > Hi, V-peeps -
> >> >
> >> > I know that there are lots and lots of churches located here in
> >> > Vandalville.
> >> >
> >> > Just out of curiosity, can anybody "in the know" identify any local
> >> > churches NOT listed at . . .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/MoscowCares/interfaiththanksgiving/InterfaithThanksgivingProgram_111810_04.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Tom Hansen
> >> > Moscow, Idaho
> >> >
> >> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> >> > change
> >> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >> >
> >> > - Unknown
> >> >
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