[Vision2020] Curiosity Question

Sun Nov 28 12:25:29 PST 2010

Sure they would.  Starts to create a fact pattern.  The mere absence from
participation in a specific group tells nothing.  A fact pattern is quite a
different beast.

The churches and schools which you hint at below have been well analyzed on
this list.  Is there more to gain by further discussion?

I really don't think Tom was trying to make this another round of "lets beat
on Christ Church."  So why go there?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> What if we have further evidence that the pastor of a particular
> church thinks that Mormons are blasphemers? Would that indicate a
> reason for their absence from the list?
>
> What if a school affiliated with another church openly challenges
> secularists to "step into the alley" so they can be thrown "up against
> a wall, lifting wallets and the occasional gift card"? Would that
> indicate that, together with their absence from the list, indicate
> anything?
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So many churches are missing that I think assuming one is trying to send
> a
> > message by its absence from the list is unwarranted.  Could be any number
> of
> > reasons why a church isn't a member of a specific interfaith group.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:37 AM, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, my church, Rock Church, isn't listed.
> >>
> >> And yet I have no doubt that the spirit of offering thanksgiving to
> >> Yahweh, the Allah of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- and genuinely loving
> every
> >> person that God created, without exception -- is utterly consistent with
> my
> >> church family's commitment to demonstrating and offering
> >> Shalom/Salaam/Gospel Peace to our world.
> >>
> >> It's not that I feel the need to defend my church; it doesn't need my
> >> defense.  But while I know there are a lot of good people of faith who
> >> didn't, for whatever reason, attend the dinner, the current climate of
> what
> >> passes for Christianity on the Palouse does raise questions about
> whether a
> >> church group's non-attendance is innocuous, meant to send a message, or
> was
> >> an intentional rejection of the event's purpose.  I think that our
> church --
> >> a dozen very diverse people intentionally without a pastor, led by two
> women
> >> and two men, all imperfect but committed to worshiping Christ together
> and
> >> living out the Gospel in the homes, church, community, and world we're
> in --
> >> very likely wasn't aware of the gathering.
> >>
> >> But maybe some were; I don't know.  I do know that at Rock, we tend to
> >> equip, encourage, and expect  our sisters and brothers to do whatever it
> is
> >> God has called them to do in the world, and do so as individuals; we
> don't
> >> "do ministry" as a church  as much as we "do equipping" so that our
> people
> >> use their gifts, influence, and passion to serve their neighbors.  As I
> >> imagine is the case with all of the faithful, we want to focus on being
> and
> >> not simply on doing.  Our people collect Christmas presents for kids
> >> overseas, sponsor other children, practice and preach gender equality,
> work
> >> at the Food Bank at St. Mary's, minister at Good Sam, develop genuine
> >> friendships with people who feel unloved or outcast, volunteer with the
> >> disabled, pray consistently and fervently for peace, march in the LGBT
> Pride
> >> Parade, and seek out ways to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly
> with
> >> our God.  We assume that other Christians do the same, and so do
> >> non-Christian faith-living people, and so do those who reject religious
> >> belief but give to their community.
> >>
> >> As I said, my point isn't to defend my church, although I'm always happy
> >> to introduce to others these people I love so dearly, and who,
> amazingly,
> >> love, respect, and support me -- that's not something I've ever had
> before
> >> in church.  And I think Tom raises in his question some important
> issues,
> >> given the bigotry permeating the Palouse in the name of Christ.  So I've
> >> answered his question, speaking only about my church as a part of it and
> not
> >> officially representing Rock here or anywhere else.  As always, i
> appreciate
> >> Tom's profound and demonstrated concern for injustice, intolerance, and
> >> incivility -- in Moscow and elsewhere.  I'm interested in what other
> >> Visionaires think.
> >>
> >> Keely
> >> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:44:06 -0800
> >> > From: thansen at moscow.com
> >> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: [Vision2020] Curiosity Question
> >> >
> >> > Hi, V-peeps -
> >> >
> >> > I know that there are lots and lots of churches located here in
> >> > Vandalville.
> >> >
> >> > Just out of curiosity, can anybody "in the know" identify any local
> >> > churches NOT listed at . . .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/MoscowCares/interfaiththanksgiving/InterfaithThanksgivingProgram_111810_04.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Tom Hansen
> >> > Moscow, Idaho
> >> >
> >> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> >> > change
> >> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >> >
> >> > - Unknown
> >> >
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