[Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree doesn't

[keely emerinemix]

Not really responding to the "bear/use" argument, but along the same line . . . I continually wonder why the phrase "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment doesn't get more discussion.  It seems to me that a bunch of poorly informed, angry, hate-fueled, paranoid men crawling around a Kentucky forest in greasepaint with little supervision and lots of powerful arms and ammo can't possibly be a "well-regulated" ANYTHING, much less a "militia."  If these types of people would submit to commonsense regulation, order, discipline, accountability and the occasional intrusion of fact, perhaps we could then consider their gun rights in a different light.

Frankly, these "militias" are an insult to the brave men and women in the U.S. armed forces, and the worst possible argument in favor of wide-open gun ownership and use.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com




> From: dickow at turbonet.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:43:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW:  discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up,	Crabtree doesn't
> 
> Thanks, Tom! The Webster online does NOT indicate that 'to bear' (at least
> in the case of bearing arms) means also 'to use.' I feel better now.
> 
> Bob Dickow, troublemaker
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Dickow
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:01 PM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree
> doesn't
> 
> Well, I guess if 'to bear' means also 'to use,' then my argument does not
> hold. However, I must say that that definition was not my lifelong
> understanding of the meaning of 'to bear,' which is means 'to carry,' as in
> 'to bear a heavy load of wood.' Using the wood is another thing altogether.
> ("Hand me that match, will  ya? I want to finish up bearing my wood now.")
> 
> Bob Dickow, troublemaker 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Garrett Clevenger
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: vision2020_moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree
> doesn't
> 
> Bob writes:
> 
> "But to complicate things, keep in mind that although the Constitution
> protects the right to keep and bear arms, it says nothing about our rights
> to discharge those arms."
> 
> 
> >From what my dictionary says, "to bear" means "to hold and use" which in
> the case of a firearm seems to me to mean to discharge.
> 
> If a law prevents someone from using their gun, how is that not
> unconstitutional? (I'm playing the devil's advocate here)
> 
> I suppose that since there are laws that limit free speech, I suppose
> interpretation of our constitutional amendments is very subjective.
> 
> gclev
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