[Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree doesn't

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Kentucky?  Try every northern county of this state!

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  From: keely emerinemix 
  To: dickow at turbonet.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree doesn't


  Not really responding to the "bear/use" argument, but along the same line . . . I continually wonder why the phrase "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment doesn't get more discussion.  It seems to me that a bunch of poorly informed, angry, hate-fueled, paranoid men crawling around a Kentucky forest in greasepaint with little supervision and lots of powerful arms and ammo can't possibly be a "well-regulated" ANYTHING, much less a "militia."  If these types of people would submit to commonsense regulation, order, discipline, accountability and the occasional intrusion of fact, perhaps we could then consider their gun rights in a different light.

  Frankly, these "militias" are an insult to the brave men and women in the U.S. armed forces, and the worst possible argument in favor of wide-open gun ownership and use.

  Keely
  www.keely-prevailingwinds.com




  > From: dickow at turbonet.com
  > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:43:52 -0700
  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree doesn't
  > 
  > Thanks, Tom! The Webster online does NOT indicate that 'to bear' (at least
  > in the case of bearing arms) means also 'to use.' I feel better now.
  > 
  > Bob Dickow, troublemaker
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  > On Behalf Of Robert Dickow
  > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:01 PM
  > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  > Subject: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree
  > doesn't
  > 
  > Well, I guess if 'to bear' means also 'to use,' then my argument does not
  > hold. However, I must say that that definition was not my lifelong
  > understanding of the meaning of 'to bear,' which is means 'to carry,' as in
  > 'to bear a heavy load of wood.' Using the wood is another thing altogether.
  > ("Hand me that match, will ya? I want to finish up bearing my wood now.")
  > 
  > Bob Dickow, troublemaker 
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  > On Behalf Of Garrett Clevenger
  > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:32 AM
  > To: vision2020_moscow.com
  > Subject: [Vision2020] discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree
  > doesn't
  > 
  > Bob writes:
  > 
  > "But to complicate things, keep in mind that although the Constitution
  > protects the right to keep and bear arms, it says nothing about our rights
  > to discharge those arms."
  > 
  > 
  > >From what my dictionary says, "to bear" means "to hold and use" which in
  > the case of a firearm seems to me to mean to discharge.
  > 
  > If a law prevents someone from using their gun, how is that not
  > unconstitutional? (I'm playing the devil's advocate here)
  > 
  > I suppose that since there are laws that limit free speech, I suppose
  > interpretation of our constitutional amendments is very subjective.
  > 
  > gclev
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