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Not really responding to the "bear/use" argument, but along the same line . . . I continually wonder why the phrase "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment doesn't get more discussion. It seems to me that a bunch of poorly informed, angry, hate-fueled, paranoid men crawling around a Kentucky forest in greasepaint with little supervision and lots of powerful arms and ammo can't possibly be a "well-regulated" ANYTHING, much less a "militia." If these types of people would submit to commonsense regulation, order, discipline, accountability and the occasional intrusion of fact, perhaps we could then consider their gun rights in a different light.<br><br>Frankly, these "militias" are an insult to the brave men and women in the U.S. armed forces, and the worst possible argument in favor of wide-open gun ownership and use.<br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br>> From: dickow@turbonet.com<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:43:52 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree doesn't<br>> <br>> Thanks, Tom! The Webster online does NOT indicate that 'to bear' (at least<br>> in the case of bearing arms) means also 'to use.' I feel better now.<br>> <br>> Bob Dickow, troublemaker<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> On Behalf Of Robert Dickow<br>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:01 PM<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] FW: discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree<br>> doesn't<br>> <br>> Well, I guess if 'to bear' means also 'to use,' then my argument does not<br>> hold. However, I must say that that definition was not my lifelong<br>> understanding of the meaning of 'to bear,' which is means 'to carry,' as in<br>> 'to bear a heavy load of wood.' Using the wood is another thing altogether.<br>> ("Hand me that match, will ya? I want to finish up bearing my wood now.")<br>> <br>> Bob Dickow, troublemaker <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> On Behalf Of Garrett Clevenger<br>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:32 AM<br>> To: vision2020_moscow.com<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] discharging firearms- was Pres mans-up, Crabtree<br>> doesn't<br>> <br>> Bob writes:<br>> <br>> "But to complicate things, keep in mind that although the Constitution<br>> protects the right to keep and bear arms, it says nothing about our rights<br>> to discharge those arms."<br>> <br>> <br>> >From what my dictionary says, "to bear" means "to hold and use" which in<br>> the case of a firearm seems to me to mean to discharge.<br>> <br>> If a law prevents someone from using their gun, how is that not<br>> unconstitutional? (I'm playing the devil's advocate here)<br>> <br>> I suppose that since there are laws that limit free speech, I suppose<br>> interpretation of our constitutional amendments is very subjective.<br>> <br>> gclev<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br> </body>
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