[Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee

[Gary Crabtree]

I don't consider myself any sort of military expert. As I have said before, I think Afghanistan is a lost cause that has at least a quarter century before it manages to claw its way up to third world status. I tend to agree with the faction that believes we should drastically reduce troop levels, maintain/increase drone over flights, and bounce the rubble as the opportunity presents itself. Pretending we can establish any kind of functional government there is delusional.

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From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:03 PM
To: "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee

> The Iraq war is set to close-down within the timetable he gave before
> the election. What problem do you see there? Afghanistan, due to seven
> years of near-total neglect, is a mess. Karzai -- our appointed
> candidate -- has been taking giant bags stuffed full of cash from the
> Iranians, and has been doing so since before Bush left office.
> 
> What's the solution that seems so crystal-clear to you?
> 
> -- ACS
> 
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> To further your half assed analogy, BHO bid on the home as is, all the while
>> boasting of being a master fire fighter. He then stands around complaining
>> about it being an inferno. Rather than doing anything useful about the
>> problem, he bitches about the previous owner, reorganizes the sock drawer,
>> and goes on a lengthy vacation.
>>
>> g
>>
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>> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:36 PM
>> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sign seen in Genesee
>>
>>>> Looks as though GWB had a little help in the undertaking. As to the
>>>> assertion that BHO is on record as opposing the effort, while he wasn't
>>>> in
>>>> office for these votes,he did consistantly vote to fund it.
>>>
>>> Cutting the funding doesn't end the war. It commits us to a war
>>> without committing any resources. In every way, it's the worst of both
>>> worlds: it commits us to half-assing a policy or, at worst,
>>> half-assing the end to that policy. I opposed the war in Iraq. I think
>>> we've substantially completed our mission in Afghanistan. As a
>>> representative, I'd vote to fund either, because half-assing it is not
>>> an option.
>>>
>>>> Obama has been CiC for two years now. If he really wanted us out, we'd be
>>>> out. They're his
>>>> wars now.
>>>
>>> Gary? Let's say someone comes over to your house and sets it on fire.
>>> In a sense, that's your fire -- congratulations, you're the guy with
>>> the responsibility to put it out. We can talk about whether you're
>>> doing a good job stopping the fire. But if we're talking about why
>>> there's a fire in your house, cutting the arsonist out of the picture
>>> is not just nonsensical, but insane.
>>>
>>> -- ACS
>>>
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