[Vision2020] Blahg Update
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Tue Mar 16 10:14:49 PDT 2010
Should I use Dale's standard? Ok I heard a rumor. Best, Joe
On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
wrote:
> I see. So what you seem to be saying is that, from your position of
> high moral authority, you feel free to say pretty much any nasty
> thing about a group that you don't care for, as though it were fact
> without so much as a shred of evidence to back up your claims.
>
> On the other hand, Courtney mearly reports on a rumor about whether
> a local politician will re-up for office and he's a dispicable lout,
> even though he makes it crystal clear that the report is not
> substantiated.
>
> Curious set of values you've managed to rationalize for yourself.
>
> g
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Campbell
> To: Gary Crabtree
> Cc: the lockshop ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>
> G,
>
> The myth that a diverse group of people have it in for one and only
> one local church because of some kind of prejudice is about as
> believable as your mind is open.
>
> I didn't start the comparison with Nazi's. It started when the group
> that got rid of the Idaho Aryan Nations camp wrote about your friends.
>
> But the Southern Poverty Law Center must be intolerant as well,
> right? It is all one big conspiracy against a small church that
> never harmed anyone. That's exactly why I got into philosophy --
> because I'm intolerant of diverse points of view, especially from
> folks who share my own religion. You've figured it all out. While
> you're at it, please tell me more about that bridge you have for
> sale in Brooklyn!
>
> You want proof? Take your head out of the sand and look for it. But
> I'm not loosing any sleep over the fact that I can't convince you of
> anything!
>
> Best, Joe
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:26 PM, "Gary Crabtree"
> <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> My goodness. When it comes to "nasty disposition" I'm going to have
>> to bow before your obvious expertise.
>>
>> I would however, like to see what you have to back up your
>> assertion that Donovan, Schwaller, and whoever
>> else you might happen to disagree with is in reality the dreaded
>> Mr. Courtney. While you're at it, how about
>> A little documentation on the perpetrator of the feces incident and
>> the name and circumstances of the
>> "political opponents" that "they" have had fired. I'm sure that
>> what with your stellar reputation and all you
>> wouldn't be making accusations that you couldn't document. After
>> all, without proof your remarks would fall into
>> the category Mrs. Mix was just wailing and gnashing her choppers
>> over, dread speculation.
>>
>> Really enjoyed the uber subtle Hitler comparison though. can't go
>> wrong with using a Nazi image when
>> attempting to vilify those who make your mouth foam. It's so
>> doggone effective, we'll have to see if it catches on.
>>
>>
>> g
>>
>> From: Joe Campbell
>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:07 PM
>> To: the lockshop
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>
>> G,
>>
>> Stop with the lies.
>>
>> His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him.
>> After all, he has the same religion as me: Christian.
>>
>> It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his
>> constant insults and misrepresentations of liberals and
>> progressives, his pretending to be Donovan or Schwaller, and his
>> relationship with a group that has ignored the city code and local
>> laws, tried to get their politcal opponents fired, smeared feces
>> inside and outside of the cars of friends of mine, etc.
>>
>> That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious
>> backgrounds. That's why our anger is not directed at others who
>> share the politics and religious beliefs of his group. Try to
>> explain that. Why that group if it is based on prejudice?
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and
>> that fact would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be
>> nice to you too -- once you stop trying to wreck my reputation with
>> your lies! Really that's it. I don't give a damn about your beliefs
>> or his.
>>
>> Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!
>>
>> Best, Joe
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop"
>> <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be him, no comb
>>> over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from there to
>>> have a fairly agreeable conversation.
>>>
>>> 2. If someone, who was a charter member of a group that was
>>> blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista" clan
>>> proudly proclaims) approached me in public while I was with
>>> clients/friends/family etc. I can tell you right now I would be
>>> less than enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in
>>> what would likely be a less than pleasant dialog. If that person
>>> started carrying on about her hatred for me and sobbed for some
>>> sort of absolution I would be desparately swiveling my head around
>>> in a paniced search for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets.
>>>
>>> 3. People speculate about public figures all the time and in many
>>> different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of speculation on
>>> this particular list with regard to various city council members,
>>> congressmen, presidential candidates, and religious leaders
>>> without the same outpouring of faux concern.
>>>
>>> To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now and find him
>>> to be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by jabbing him
>>> with a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a lively
>>> conversation as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort
>>> of an evil ogre because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and
>>> his politics is cheap theatrics and nothing more.
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: keely emerinemix
>>> To: Tom Hansen
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>>
>>> Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
>>> undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that
>>> she'll be running for re-election. I'm very fond of Shirley and I
>>> think she's done a great job for Latah County.
>>>
>>> Second, I'd also like to express my disgust at Courtney's tactics
>>> in tossing about a rumor like this -- parsing words and managing
>>> to continue the snarkiness by generously reminding all of us that
>>> only her filing will put to rest the speculation. Shirley has a
>>> filing deadline that I'm confident she'll meet; the "speculation"
>>> is likely generated and definitely furthered by Courtney, period.
>>> She owes him nothing other than the basic decency he is unwilling
>>> to show her. I have tried to show the same decency and courtesy
>>> to Dale, as one of the examples will demonstrate painfully. But
>>> he won't take my calls, and he's blocked me from his email and his
>>> blog. Now, I know that Dale may have Idaho's Most Popular
>>> Political Blog, and that does not make him a journalist, someone
>>> who, as a professional, would have simply checked with Shirley
>>> before printing, in his Most Popular Blog, a rumor that is as
>>> callous in regard to her health as it is mean-spirited at the
>>> prospect of her political career.
>>>
>>> So with that in mind, I'll share three examples of bad behavior on
>>> his part, directed at me and indicative, I think, of a spirit of
>>> gross unkindness, disingenuousness, and a lack of character I've
>>> rarely seen on the part of any adult of my acquaintance:
>>>
>>> 1. Shortly after Sister's Brew opened up three years ago this
>>> spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his students. I greeted
>>> him by name, only to have him say, in front of kids who knew that
>>> he was Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale. I don't have a comb-over,
>>> see?" This was in reference to Tom Hansen's having called him
>>> "Comb-Over." For the record, one of Dale's faults is not that he
>>> combs his hair over a bald spot. In fact, he has a full head of
>>> hair. It covers a curious mental process that would allow him to
>>> continue to deny -- in answer to a simple "Hi, Dale!" -- that he
>>> was who we all knew him to be.
>>>
>>> 2. Over the past few years, Dale has occasionally -- once, I
>>> think, would be too much -- referred to my being angry with him
>>> about something as "Keely got her panties in a wad." Finally, my
>>> husband emailed him to tell him to stop, because it's
>>> disrespectful and entirely inappropriate for a man to say about a
>>> woman. The back-and-forth that followed consisted of Jeff's
>>> telling Dale to knock it off, and Dale's condescending insistence
>>> that grammarians and rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom
>>> like "Keely got her panties in a wad," the subject of the
>>> idiomatic referent was never actually, truly, a direct,
>>> personal reference to that person herself and so there was no
>>> reason to get upset . . or is it that the rhetorical allusion is
>>> symbolic and thus never literal, which makes it stupid of me to be
>>> offended? True, he finally agreed to stop, only because Jeff, as
>>> my husband, had asked him to and only after arguing that it was
>>> Jeff's problem for not understanding the fine points of
>>> rhetoric. I think "head-spinning weaselry" covers it.
>>>
>>> 3. This last one made me cry. It happened about two years ago at
>>> a concert at the NuArt; the artist was Christian balladeer Don
>>> Francisco. I had been feeling bad about how close to hatred my
>>> feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to the Lord,
>>> I sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which
>>> is how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible,
>>> because he won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog
>>> (he acknowledged that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to
>>> catch his email on a down day). Anyway, I saw Dale at the show,
>>> during intermission, and I went up to him and said that I was
>>> beginning to feel as though I hated him, that it was wrong -- a
>>> sin, not because it offended my standards, but because it offended
>>> God's -- and that I would like him, please, to forgive me. Dale's
>>> response? He started the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a comb-over"
>>> thing, retreated, and then unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas
>>> are obnoxious" thing. I kinda begged him to just hear my
>>> apologies, and I remember this well: One, I was in
>>> tears, first at my own shame, and then at his obstinance; two, I
>>> was determined to not, myself, go the "OK, I'm sorry, but YOU
>>> did . . . " route. This one was about how I had sinned by
>>> starting to hate him. But I left knowing that the aftermath was
>>> all, very sadly, about him. I find that tragic. And, for all
>>> it's worth, I don't hate Dale at all and haven't since. I pity
>>> him, and I hope to heap coals on his head, as the Bible says, to
>>> foster his repentance.
>>>
>>> There have been things that Dale has attributed to me that I've
>>> never said, and he's certainly been less than charitable in his
>>> dealings with me since. I think his judgment is sorely lacking,
>>> his maturity riddled with contempt for others, and his character
>>> not in keeping with the Bible's standards for eldership. There's
>>> nothing I've said here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I think
>>> it's clear that I've tried. His treatment of Shirley Ringo is
>>> awful.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700
>>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>> > From: thansen at moscow.com
>>> > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> >
>>> > Keely kindly communicates:
>>> >
>>> > "Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>>> Dale is
>>> > weasel-like in his dealings."
>>> >
>>> > You're on.
>>> >
>>> > Seeya at the Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.
>>> >
>>> > Tom Hansen
>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > And, you know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder:
>>> reporting
>>> > > on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do
>>> damage to a
>>> > > political enemy's re-election.
>>> > >
>>> > > Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>>> Dale is
>>> > > weasel-like in his dealings.
>>> > >
>>> > > Keely
>>> > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:10 -0700
>>> > >> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>> > >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg at:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal Democrat, Rep.
>>> Shirley
>>> > >> Ringo:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> - - - - -
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Visionaries:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I note that Dale Courtney posted information in his blog
>>> indicating
>>> > >> that I would not be running for re-election to the
>>> legislature due to
>>> > >> health reasons.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Starting last October, I had a series of surgical procedures to
>>> > >> improve circulation in my legs. The procedures were
>>> successful. I
>>> > >> have no lingering health problems that would keep me from
>>> > >> participating fully in the legislative process.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I will file for re-election - the deadline is Friday, March 19.
>>> > >> Bill
>>> > >> Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned my plans
>>> to run
>>> > >> in a recent news article.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I do not have, and have not confided any secret, strategic
>>> plans to
>>> > >> anyone - not even to Dale Courtney.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Shirley Ringo
>>> > >>
>>> > >> - - - - -
>>> > >>
>>> > >> For the record, I never said that Shirley Ringo told me she
>>> wasn’t
>>> > >> running. I said that it was a rumor.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not g
>>> oing to
>>> > >> run
>>> > >> again because of health reasons. But that Judy Brown will
>>> file at the
>>> > >> last minute to take her seat. That will keep the Republicans
>>> from
>>> > >> putting anyone up to challenge Brown.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The rumor will be nixed when she actually files.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to your retraction,
>>> dale.
>>> > >> Although, judging by your "track record", it isn't
>>> anticipated, since
>>> > >> rumor has it that you are an immature weasel whose word is no
>>> better
>>> > >> than
>>> > >> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in your blahg.
>>> But, then
>>> > >> again, that is only rumor.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Tom Hansen
>>> > >> Moscow, Idaho
>>> > >>
>>> > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>>> it to
>>> > >> change
>>> > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>> > >>
>>> > >> - Unknown
>>> > >>
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