<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Should I use Dale's standard? Ok I heard a rumor. Best, Joe<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, "the lockshop" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I see. So what you seem to be saying is that, from
your position of high moral authority, you feel free to say pretty much any
nasty thing about a group that you don't care for, as though it were fact
without so much as a shred of evidence to back up your claims.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">On the other hand, Courtney mearly reports on a
rumor about whether a local politician will re-up for office and he's a
dispicable lout, even though he makes it crystal clear that the report is not
substantiated.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Curious set of values you've managed to rationalize
for yourself.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2010 9:41
PM</div>
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<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>G,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The myth that a diverse group of people have it in for one and only one
local church because of some kind of prejudice is about as believable as your
mind is open. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I didn't start the comparison with Nazi's. It started when the group that
got rid of the Idaho Aryan Nations camp wrote about your friends. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>But the Southern Poverty Law Center must be intolerant as well, right? It
is all one big conspiracy against a small church that never harmed anyone.
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)">That's
exactly why I got into philosophy -- because I'm intolerant of diverse points
of view, especially from folks who share my own religion. You've figured it
all out. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)">W<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)">hile
you're at it, please tell me more about that bridge you have for sale in
Brooklyn!</span></span></span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You want proof? Take your head out of the sand and look for it. But I'm
not loosing any sleep over the fact that I can't convince you of
anything!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best, Joe</div>
<div><br>On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:26 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div><font face="Calibri">My goodness. When it comes to "nasty disposition"
I'm going to have to bow before your obvious expertise.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri">I would however, like to see what you have to back
up your assertion that Donovan, Schwaller</font><font face="Calibri">, and
whoever</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">else you might happen to disagree with is in reality
the dreaded Mr. Courtney. While you're at it, how about</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">A little documentation on the perpetrator of the
feces incident and the name and circumstances of the</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">"political opponents" that "they" have had
fired. I'm sure that what with your stellar reputation </font><font face="Calibri">and all you</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">wouldn't be making accusations that you couldn't
document. After all, without proof your remarks would fall into</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">the category Mrs. Mix was just wailing and gnashing
her choppers over, dread speculation.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri">Really enjoyed the uber subtle Hitler
comparison though. can't go wrong with using a Nazi image when</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">attempting to vilify those who make your mouth foam.
It's so doggone effective, we'll have to see if it catches on.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri">g</font></div></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2010 6:07 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>G,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Stop with the lies. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him. After
all, he has the same religion as me: Christian. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his
constant insults and misrepresentations of liberals and progressives, his
pretending to be Donovan or Schwaller, and his relationship with a group
that has ignored the city code and local laws, tried to get their politcal
opponents fired, smeared feces inside and outside of the cars of friends of
mine, etc. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious
backgrounds. That's why our anger is not directed at others who share the
politics and religious beliefs of his group. Try to explain that. Why that
group if it is based on prejudice? </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and that
fact would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be nice to you too --
once you stop trying to wreck my reputation with your lies! Really that's
it. I don't give a damn about your beliefs or his. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best, Joe </div>
<div><br>On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"></a><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"></a><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div><font face="Arial">1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be
him, no comb over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from
there to have a fairly agreeable conversation.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">2. If someone, who was a charter member of a
group that was blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista"
clan proudly proclaims) approached me in public while I was with
clients/friends/family etc. I can tell you right now I would be less
than enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in what would
likely be a less than pleasant dialog. If that person started carrying on
about her hatred for me and sobbed for some sort of absolution I would be
desparately swiveling my head around in a paniced search for the guys in
white coats with butterfly nets.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">3. People speculate about public figures all the
time and in many different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of
speculation on this particular list with regard to various city council
members, congressmen, presidential candidates, and religious
leaders without the same outpouring of faux concern.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now
and find him to be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by
jabbing him with a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a
lively conversation as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort
of an evil ogre because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and his
politics is cheap theatrics and nothing more.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">g</font></div></div>
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<a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2010 11:15
AM</div>
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Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that she'll be
running for re-election. I'm very fond of Shirley and I think
she's done a great job for Latah County.<br><br>Second, I'd also like to
express my disgust at Courtney's tactics in tossing about a rumor like
this -- parsing words and managing to continue the snarkiness by
generously reminding all of us that only her filing will put to rest the
speculation. Shirley has a filing deadline that I'm confident
she'll meet; the "speculation" is likely generated and definitely
furthered by Courtney, period. She owes him nothing other than the
basic decency he is unwilling to show her. I have tried to show
the same decency and courtesy to Dale, as one of the examples will
demonstrate painfully. But he won't take my calls, and he's
blocked me from his email and his blog. Now, I know that Dale may
have Idaho's Most Popular Political Blog, and that does not make him a
journalist, someone who, as a professional, would have simply checked
with Shirley before printing, in his Most Popular Blog, a rumor that is
as callous in regard to her health as it is mean-spirited at the
prospect of her political career.<br><br>So with that in mind, I'll
share three examples of bad behavior on his part, directed at me and
indicative, I think, of a spirit of gross unkindness, disingenuousness,
and a lack of character I've rarely seen on the part of any adult of my
acquaintance:<br><br>1. Shortly after Sister's Brew opened up
three years ago this spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his
students. I greeted him by name, only to have him say, in front of
kids who knew that he was Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale. I don't
have a comb-over, see?" This was in reference to Tom Hansen's
having called him "Comb-Over." For the record, one of Dale's
faults is not that he combs his hair over a bald spot. In fact, he
has a full head of hair. It covers a curious mental process that
would allow him to continue to deny -- in answer to a simple "Hi, Dale!"
-- that he was who we all knew him to be.<br><br>2. Over the past
few years, Dale has occasionally -- once, I think, would be too much --
referred to my being angry with him about something as "Keely got her
panties in a wad." Finally, my husband emailed him to tell him to
stop, because it's disrespectful and entirely inappropriate for a man to
say about a woman. The back-and-forth that followed consisted of
Jeff's telling Dale to knock it off, and Dale's condescending insistence
that grammarians and rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom like
"Keely got her panties in a wad," the subject of the idiomatic referent
was never actually, truly, a direct, personal reference to that person
herself and so there was no reason to get upset . . or is it that the
rhetorical allusion is symbolic and thus never literal, which makes it
stupid of me to be offended? True, he finally agreed to stop, only
because Jeff, as my husband, had asked him to and only after arguing
that it was Jeff's problem for not understanding the fine points of
rhetoric. I think "head-spinning weaselry" covers
it.<br><br>3. This last one made me cry. It happened about
two years ago at a concert at the NuArt; the artist was Christian
balladeer Don Francisco. I had been feeling bad about how close to
hatred my feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to the
Lord, I sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which
is how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible, because
he won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog (he
acknowledged that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to catch his
email on a down day). Anyway, I saw Dale at the show, during
intermission, and I went up to him and said that I was beginning to feel
as though I hated him, that it was wrong -- a sin, not because it
offended my standards, but because it offended God's -- and that I would
like him, please, to forgive me. Dale's response? He started
the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a comb-over" thing, retreated, and then
unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas are obnoxious" thing. I
kinda begged him to just hear my apologies, and I remember this
well: One, I was in tears, first at my own shame, and then at his
obstinance; two, I was determined to not, myself, go the "OK, I'm sorry,
but YOU did . . . " route. This one was about how I had
sinned by starting to hate him. But I left knowing that the
aftermath was all, very sadly, about him. I find that
tragic. And, for all it's worth, I don't hate Dale at all and
haven't since. I pity him, and I hope to heap coals on his head,
as the Bible says, to foster his repentance. <br><br>There have
been things that Dale has attributed to me that I've never said, and
he's certainly been less than charitable in his dealings with me
since. I think his judgment is sorely lacking, his maturity
riddled with contempt for others, and his character not in keeping with
the Bible's standards for eldership. There's nothing I've said
here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I think it's clear that I've
tried. His treatment of Shirley Ringo is awful.
<br><br>Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"></a><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"></a><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a></a><br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"></a><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a></a><br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br>>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700<br>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
Blahg Update<br>> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a><br>> To:
<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"></a><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"></a><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a></a><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>>
<br>> Keely kindly communicates:<br>> <br>> "Let me know if you
need any facts to back up any rumors that Dale is<br>> weasel-like in
his dealings."<br>> <br>> You're on.<br>> <br>> Seeya at the
Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.<br>> <br>> Tom
Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> ><br>> > And, you
know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder: reporting<br>>
> on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do damage to
a<br>> > political enemy's re-election.<br>> ><br>> >
Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that Dale
is<br>> > weasel-like in his dealings.<br>> ><br>> >
Keely<br>> > <a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"></a><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"></a><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a></a><br>>
><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Date: Mon,
15 Mar 2010 08:42:10 -0700<br>> >> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a><br>>
>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg Update<br>> >><br>>
>> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg at:<br>> >><br>>
>> <a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx"></a><a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx"></a><a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx"><a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx</a></a><br>>
>><br>> >>
----------------------------------------------------<br>>
>><br>> >> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal
Democrat, Rep. Shirley<br>> >> Ringo:<br>> >><br>>
>> - - - - -<br>> >><br>> >>
Visionaries:<br>> >><br>> >> I note that Dale Courtney
posted information in his blog indicating<br>> >> that I would
not be running for re-election to the legislature due to<br>>
>> health reasons.<br>> >><br>> >> Starting last
October, I had a series of surgical procedures to<br>> >>
improve circulation in my legs. The procedures were successful.
I<br>> >> have no lingering health problems that would keep me
from<br>> >> participating fully in the legislative
process.<br>> >><br>> >> I will file for re-election -
the deadline is Friday, March 19.<br>> >> Bill<br>> >>
Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned my plans to
run<br>> >> in a recent news article.<br>> >><br>>
>> I do not have, and have not confided any secret, strategic
plans to<br>> >> anyone - not even to Dale Courtney.<br>>
>><br>> >> Shirley Ringo<br>> >><br>>
>> - - - - -<br>> >><br>> >> For the record, I
never said that Shirley Ringo told me she wasn’t<br>> >>
running. I said that it was a rumor.<br>> >><br>> >>
I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not going
to<br>> >> run<br>> >> again because of health
reasons. But that Judy Brown will file at the<br>> >> last
minute to take her seat. That will keep the Republicans from<br>>
>> putting anyone up to challenge Brown.<br>> >><br>>
>> The rumor will be nixed when she actually files.<br>>
>><br>> >>
----------------------------------------------------<br>>
>><br>> >> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to
your retraction, dale.<br>> >> Although, judging by your "track
record", it isn't anticipated, since<br>> >> rumor has it that
you are an immature weasel whose word is no better<br>> >>
than<br>> >> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in
your blahg. But, then<br>> >> again, that is only
rumor.<br>> >><br>> >> Seeya round town,
Moscow.<br>> >><br>> >> Tom Hansen<br>> >>
Moscow, Idaho<br>> >><br>> >> "The Pessimist complains
about the wind, the Optimist expects it to<br>> >>
change<br>> >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>>
>><br>> >> - Unknown<br>> >><br>>
>><br>> >>
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