[Vision2020] Douglas Wilson steps on his member again

[Art Deco]

Tom, et al,

The comment about Christ Church Cultmaster Wilson's failure to see the inherent contradiction between his reported statements in the DN article is only part of the stunning revelation inherent in these comments.

Just in the article itself his apodictics are contradictory:

"Wilson said morality cannot evolve over time."

"Wilson said there are good and bad things in the Bible. He said there are certain things that are wrong now, but used to be good back in time."


But, worst yet, and most revealing of the schizophrenic nature of his "Reformed Theology" is the outright contradiction with the fundamental pillar of his alleged faith as found in the Community Evangelical Fellowship Statement of Faith as stated in a previous version of Credenda Agenda.

Contrast:

"Wilson said there are good and bad things in the Bible. He said there are certain things that are wrong now, but used to be good back in time."

from the news article with the following from Credenda:

"We believe the Bible to be the only inerrant Word of God. It is our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice." 

Even Wilson's faithful, running dog, locksmith should be able to see the contradiction here, even if only peeking through a keyhole.

When you add the following from the same source, then the inconsistency and patent absurdity of the whole of these assertions become apparent.

"We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three Persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is omnipotent, that is, He is all-powerful. He is omnipresent, that is, He is present throughout all Creation but not limited by it. He is omniscient, that is, nothing is hidden from His sight."


Douglas Wilson is an intelligent person.  So why does he insist upon and utter such obviously ridiculous, contradictory tripe?

In my opinion, Wilson's genius lies in his ability as a creative con artist.  He is a flimflamer using religion as his hook.  In my opinion, Wilson is too intelligent to believe almost all of his so-called theological pronouncements. 

Perhaps a few local cult members are beginning to catch on after seeing all the money sucked out of them, it appears that cult attendance is down and discipline is slipping.  Immigration of the foolish into Moscow for the sake of joining the cult seems to have greatly retarded.

Some cult members in the recent past have mortgaged their homes to contribute to the cult operation or so-called investments; some of these unfortunates may even lose them now (or already have).  Certainly money given to Wilson to enhance his opulent lifestyle and to enable him to expand his operations for egomaniacal, megalomaniacal, and financial gain could have been much more gainfully spent on their own families and for the community good.


It wasn't Wilson who said this, but it could very well have been:  "There's one born every minute."


Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  83843

waf at moscow.com
208 882-7975


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Hansen 
  To: keely emerinemix 
  Cc: deco at moscow.com ; Moscow Vision 2020 
  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Douglas Wilson steps on his member again


  Since, as the Daily News reports, . . .

  "Wilson said morality cannot evolve over time."

  Perhaps the Dougster should explain why he addressed a letter to Judge
  Stegner in support of Steven Sitler, a convicted serial pedophile, . . .

  http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/

  stating . . .

  "I am grateful Steven was caught, and am grateful he has been brought to
  account for these actions so early in his life.  I am grateful that he
  will be sentenced for his behavior, and that there will be hard
  consequences for him in real time.  At the same time, I would urge that
  the civil penalties applied would be measured and limited.  I have good
  hope that Steven has genuinely repented and that he will continue to deal
  with this to become a productive and contributing member of society."

  Hmmm.

  Seeya round town, Moscow.

  Tom Hansen
  Moscow, Idaho

  "I'll just speak for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out that a
  member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the
  community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his
  reputation, yes, he'd be disciplined."

  - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)
  http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3




  From the Daily News Article below:


  "Wilson said morality cannot evolve over time."

  "Wilson said there are good and bad things in the Bible. He said there are certain things that are wrong now, but used to be good back in time."


  Wouldn't even an average third grader see the contradiction here?


  Should there be some kind of  God, Cultmaster Douglas Wilson is certainly one of God's more self-amusing curses upon humankind.


  Wayne A. Fox
  1009 Karen Lane
  PO Box 9421
  Moscow, ID  83843

  waf at moscow.com
  208 882-7975




  Pastor, WSU atheist group discuss film
  Local pastor, WSU atheist group debate
  By Yesenia Amaro, Daily News staff writer

  Posted on: Thursday, February 11, 2010



  What was supposed to be a question-and-answer session turned into a debate after the showing of the documentary "Collision" at Washington State University on Wednesday night. 

  The documentary, which was released in October, features Christ Church pastor Doug Wilson of Moscow and Christopher Hitchens, well-known journalist and author of the bestselling book "God is Not Great." In the documentary, Wilson and Hitchens debate each other. 

  The debate continued after the showing of the film, which was sponsored by Collegiate Reformed Fellowship of Christ Church and the WSU Atheist/Agnostic group. 

  Wilson debated with the adviser of the atheist/agnostic group, Ph.D student Raj Poudel, and group member and undergraduate student Jenae Reese. 

  Evolution of morality was one of many issues that were debated during the event. 

  Wilson said morality cannot evolve over time. 

  Reese disagreed and discussed slavery as an example of how morality has evolved over time. She said in the past, people didn't think it was wrong to own slaves, but that since then has changed. 

  "That's a clear evolutionary path that morality has taken," she said. 

  Wilson said slavery still exists. 

  "Incarceration is slavery," he said, adding there's thousands of people in prison. 

  Reese said Wilson was confusing two different things. She said slaves didn't have a choice, while people in prison made the decision to commit something that was wrong, which is the reason they are incarcerated. 

  Poudel asked Wilson why he was "scared of even using the word evolution." 

  "It's not scary, " Wilson responded. "It's a distasteful thing for me." 

  Wilson said there are good and bad things in the Bible. He said there are certain things that are wrong now, but used to be good back in time.

  "I don't want to apologize for anything in the Bible," he said. 

  Reese said if God knows the past, present and the future, he "should have known that owning a slave was bad back then." 

  As the three of them continued their debate for almost an hour and a half, Wilson said he always thinks he's right, but he knows that isn't always the case.

  "I'm not unique," he said. "Everybody always thinks they are right, that is why they say what they say."

  He said he would abandon his faith if a grave with Jesus' body was discovered. 

  On other hand, Poudel said if somebody could prove to him that there is a God, he would believe it.

  "I don't say there's no God ... ," he said. But "there's overwhelming evidence that points to there not being a creator. I don't know where life came from. Science doesn't explain that yet. I don't claim to know that truth, I don't know where we came from." 

  Yesenia Amaro can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 237, or by e-mail at yamaro at dnews.com.
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