[Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber

Art Deco deco at moscow.com
Wed Oct 28 20:59:18 PDT 2009


I'm sorry that liars and sneaks are OK with you as long as they allege to promote an agenda that you favor.

W.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darrell Keim 
  To: Art Deco 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber


  No, I saw that.  Don't see the big deal.

  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
  > Darrell,
  >
  > Apparently you missed this earlier post (please note the dates):
  > ______________________________________________
  >
  > Email + Response:
  >
  > From: Wayne A. Fox [mailto:waf at moscow.com]
  > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:25 PM
  > To: Stephanie Kalasz; Gary Riedner
  > Subject: Weber Bio
  >
  > Shouldn't Weber's bio on the City of Moscow website be updated?
  >
  >
  > John Weber
  > In November of 2005 John was elected to a four year term on the City
  > Council. John is a lifelong resident of Moscow and graduated from Moscow
  > High School and the University of Idaho. He has a Masters of Business
  > Administration and is employed as a project manager here in Moscow. In his
  > free time, John enjoys working on his Corvette and in the warmer weather is
  > an avid golfer.
  >
  >
  > Isn't he no longer a project manager, but a bartender at the Corner Club?
  >
  >
  >
  > Wayne A. Fox
  > 1009 Karen Lane
  > PO Box 9421
  > Moscow, ID 83843
  >
  >
  >
  > waf at moscow.com
  > 208 882-7975
  >
  >
  > From: Gary Riedner
  > To: Wayne A. Fox
  > Cc: Stephanie Kalasz ; Laurie Lewis
  > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 AM
  > Subject: RE: Weber Bio
  > Mr. Fox:
  >
  > Thank you for your observation. I will contact John Weber to see if he
  > wishes to update his information.
  >
  > Gary J. Riedner
  >
  > City Supervisor
  > 208-883-7006
  > ______________________________________________
  >
  > The above exchange took place after Weber was no longer a project manager
  > for Rich Beebe.
  >
  > Weber did not correct his official biography on the City of Moscow website
  > after it was pointed out that he was no longer a project manager, but a
  > bartender at The Corner Club.
  >
  > Continuing to claim to be a project manager when one is not is a misleading
  > lie. The lie continues to this day:
  > http://www.moscow.id.us/council/MeetCouncil.asp
  >
  > Continuing to claim being a project manager is more impressive than
  > admitting the truth about being a bartender at one of Moscow's less upscale
  > bars. There is nothing wrong with being a bartender; however such an
  > occupation is not a very good recommendation for being mayor for a city the
  > size of Moscow. There is something very wrong about Weber lying to Moscow
  > citizens about continuing to be a project manager to falsely pump up his
  > political resume. He lied about the Hawkins matter. How many other
  > official lies has he told?
  >
  > [And do you not find it curious that Rich Beebe does not appear as an
  > endorser on Weber's website?
  > http://www.weber-mayor.com/weber-mayor_005.htm And don't some of the other
  > names on the list of endorsements of Weber set off some really loud alarm
  > bells?]
  >
  > Poor John is a pathetic case. Had he chosen to give up alcohol 30 years
  > ago, he would now probably be an exemplary citizen with honorable political
  > qualifications and would not have to lie, and probably would not act like
  > the village nitwit in city council meetings.
  >
  > Weber was quoted in the Daily News as saying he wanted to "sell Moscow." He
  > was probably reprimanded by the GMA gods for so stupidly and blatantly
  > revealing their goals.
  >
  > But poor pathetic John is in the minor leagues of lying and being a sneak
  > when it comes to some other current GMA endorsed candidates.
  >
  > For example, Walter Steed is a demonstrated sneak and liar.
  >
  > Why do you think the Idaho House Conservation and Resources Committee
  > unanimously rejected his first bill to sell water to Hawkins? And the Idaho
  > House Leader refused to even pass his second bill to committee? And even if
  > the second bill had been sent to committee, it would have not been given a
  > hearing?
  >
  > This is why:
  >
  > Steed lied to the house committee during his live testimony and afterward.
  > He got caught lying big time. The committee was given documentary evidence
  > demonstrating his lies. Steed's lies even so turned off one extreme free
  > market representative that even he voted against it, although he was very in
  > favor of it before the lies rained down.
  >
  > Steed lied from the beginning about the Hawkins deal. He convinced four of
  > the Hawkins Five (all GMA approved) to spend money and Moscow city staff
  > resources even after Hawkins drilled their own wells and were clearly not
  > interested in Moscow water, and after it was clear that the Hawkins
  > agreement was void ab initio, and thus unenforceable.
  >
  > I wouldn't trust these GMA endorsees to run a charity bingo game, let alone
  > a city.
  >
  > Wayne A. Fox
  > 1009 Karen Lane
  > PO Box 9421
  > Moscow, ID 83843
  >
  > waf at moscow.com
  > 208 882-7975
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Darrell Keim
  > To: Art Deco
  > Cc: Vision 2020
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:21 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
  > Wayne:
  >
  > His moscow.com bio may need updating. But, he can still claim the
  > experience as a project manager, regardless of why he is no longer in
  > that position. Why is adding a part-time barkeep position so
  > important to you?
  >
  > Personal example: I resigned from a past position due to major
  > ideological differences with management. None the less, I can still
  > claim the experience of having done that job.
  >
  > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
  >> Does this also mean that Weber will correct his official biography on the
  >> Moscow.com site to reflect that he is no longer a project manager, but a
  >> bartender at the Corner Club?
  >>
  >> W.
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: Greg Kimberling
  >> To: 'Paul Rumelhart' ; 'Wayne Price' ; 'Darrell Keim'
  >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:32 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
  >> Here is a response from John Weber:
  >>
  >> To Vision 2020 readers and participants; I regret the error on my
  >> Weber-Mayor.com web page.
  >>
  >> I have never been Moscow's Police Chief nor have I ever been the attorney
  >> for the City of Moscow. However I have been on the search committees that
  >> helped fill these positions in the past.
  >>
  >> I would like to thank the Moscow citizens that caught this mistake and
  >> gave me the opportunity to correct it, both on Vision 2020 and my web
  >> page.
  >>
  >> If anyone would like to discuss this with me further, please contact me
  >> at 208.882.6794.
  >>
  >> John Weber
  >>
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
  >> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
  >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:08 PM
  >> To: Wayne Price; Darrell Keim
  >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
  >>
  >> Do we even know that he did the website himself?
  >>
  >> This seems like a lot of controversy over what might just be a simple typo
  >> made by somebody else. Sure, he should fix it.
  >>
  >> Paul
  >>
  >> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
  >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
  >>> To: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>
  >>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  >>> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:09 AM
  >>> Wayne:
  >>>
  >>> One can make valid points about Webers' attention to detail, citing
  >>> this as an example. But, I contend it IS a whinefest if the error is
  >>> not pointed out to the candidate.
  >>>
  >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
  >>> wrote:
  >>> > Darrell,
  >>> >
  >>> > NOT a whine-fest! That is how carefully he checked
  >>> his own web page, no
  >>> > one on the list did that for him!
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Darrell Keim wrote:
  >>> >
  >>> >> Oh, definitely agreed that he needs to correct it.
  >>> Did anyone think
  >>> >> to point out the error to him? Or is this simply
  >>> a v2020 winefest?
  >>> >>
  >>> >>
  >>> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Joe Campbell
  >>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
  >>> >> wrote:
  >>> >>>
  >>> >>> I'm sure he's a nice guy too but he is still
  >>> misrepresenting himself and
  >>> >>> should change it asap. Joe
  >>> >>>
  >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
  >>> >>>
  >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Darrell Keim
  >>> <keim153 at gmail.com>
  >>> wrote:
  >>> >>>
  >>> >>>> Agreed: Missing a colon and/or
  >>> indentation.
  >>> >>>>
  >>> >>>> I have met John a few times. He seems to
  >>> be a good man. I don't
  >>> >>>> think he would intentionally misrepresent
  >>> these basic facts about
  >>> >>>> himself.
  >>> >>>>
  >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sunil
  >>> Ramalingam
  >>> >>>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
  >>> wrote:
  >>> >>>>>
  >>> >>>>> I'm betting he was on the search
  >>> committees for those positions, and is
  >>> >>>>> missing a colon in the line above.
  >>> >>>>>
  >>> >>>>> Sunil
  >>> >>>>>
  >>> >>>>>> From: bear at moscow.com
  >>> >>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com
  >>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:15
  >>> -0700
  >>> >>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
  >>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question
  >>> Concerning John Weber
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>> Tom,
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>> From reading that list he was
  >>> everything in the city except Michael
  >>> >>>>>> Jackson!
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>> What a rube!
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Tom
  >>> Hansen wrote:
  >>> >>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>> Was John Weber ever Moscow's
  >>> Police Chief and/or City Attorney as
  >>> >>>>>>> reflected on his website at:
  >>> >>>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>> http://www.weber-mayor.com/weber-mayor_003.htm
  >>> >>>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>> Tom Hansen
  >>> >>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
  >>> >>>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about
  >>> the wind, the Optimist expects it to
  >>> >>>>>>> change
  >>> >>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his
  >>> sails."
  >>> >>>>>>>
  >>> >>>>>>> - Unknown
  >>> >>>>>>>
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