[Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber

Darrell Keim keim153 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 28 21:03:23 PDT 2009 

Wayne:

Please don't assume you know my political agenda. Rest assured that
you don't have a clue about it.

Liars and sneaks aren't okay with me.  Outdated info on a city bio:
Don't see the big deal.  I'll bet I could find outdated and inaccurate
info about you on the web, too.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry that liars and sneaks are OK with you as long as they allege to
> promote an agenda that you favor.
>
> W.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Keim
> To: Art Deco
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
> No, I saw that.  Don't see the big deal.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>> Darrell,
>>
>> Apparently you missed this earlier post (please note the dates):
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> Email + Response:
>>
>> From: Wayne A. Fox [mailto:waf at moscow.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:25 PM
>> To: Stephanie Kalasz; Gary Riedner
>> Subject: Weber Bio
>>
>> Shouldn't Weber's bio on the City of Moscow website be updated?
>>
>>
>> John Weber
>> In November of 2005 John was elected to a four year term on the City
>> Council. John is a lifelong resident of Moscow and graduated from Moscow
>> High School and the University of Idaho. He has a Masters of Business
>> Administration and is employed as a project manager here in Moscow. In his
>> free time, John enjoys working on his Corvette and in the warmer weather
>> is
>> an avid golfer.
>>
>>
>> Isn't he no longer a project manager, but a bartender at the Corner Club?
>>
>>
>>
>> Wayne A. Fox
>> 1009 Karen Lane
>> PO Box 9421
>> Moscow, ID 83843
>>
>>
>>
>> waf at moscow.com
>> 208 882-7975
>>
>>
>> From: Gary Riedner
>> To: Wayne A. Fox
>> Cc: Stephanie Kalasz ; Laurie Lewis
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: Weber Bio
>> Mr. Fox:
>>
>> Thank you for your observation. I will contact John Weber to see if he
>> wishes to update his information.
>>
>> Gary J. Riedner
>>
>> City Supervisor
>> 208-883-7006
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> The above exchange took place after Weber was no longer a project manager
>> for Rich Beebe.
>>
>> Weber did not correct his official biography on the City of Moscow website
>> after it was pointed out that he was no longer a project manager, but a
>> bartender at The Corner Club.
>>
>> Continuing to claim to be a project manager when one is not is a
>> misleading
>> lie. The lie continues to this day:
>> http://www.moscow.id.us/council/MeetCouncil.asp
>>
>> Continuing to claim being a project manager is more impressive than
>> admitting the truth about being a bartender at one of Moscow's less
>> upscale
>> bars. There is nothing wrong with being a bartender; however such an
>> occupation is not a very good recommendation for being mayor for a city
>> the
>> size of Moscow. There is something very wrong about Weber lying to Moscow
>> citizens about continuing to be a project manager to falsely pump up his
>> political resume. He lied about the Hawkins matter. How many other
>> official lies has he told?
>>
>> [And do you not find it curious that Rich Beebe does not appear as an
>> endorser on Weber's website?
>> http://www.weber-mayor.com/weber-mayor_005.htm And don't some of the other
>> names on the list of endorsements of Weber set off some really loud alarm
>> bells?]
>>
>> Poor John is a pathetic case. Had he chosen to give up alcohol 30 years
>> ago, he would now probably be an exemplary citizen with honorable
>> political
>> qualifications and would not have to lie, and probably would not act like
>> the village nitwit in city council meetings.
>>
>> Weber was quoted in the Daily News as saying he wanted to "sell Moscow."
>> He
>> was probably reprimanded by the GMA gods for so stupidly and blatantly
>> revealing their goals.
>>
>> But poor pathetic John is in the minor leagues of lying and being a sneak
>> when it comes to some other current GMA endorsed candidates.
>>
>> For example, Walter Steed is a demonstrated sneak and liar.
>>
>> Why do you think the Idaho House Conservation and Resources Committee
>> unanimously rejected his first bill to sell water to Hawkins? And the
>> Idaho
>> House Leader refused to even pass his second bill to committee? And even
>> if
>> the second bill had been sent to committee, it would have not been given a
>> hearing?
>>
>> This is why:
>>
>> Steed lied to the house committee during his live testimony and afterward.
>> He got caught lying big time. The committee was given documentary evidence
>> demonstrating his lies. Steed's lies even so turned off one extreme free
>> market representative that even he voted against it, although he was very
>> in
>> favor of it before the lies rained down.
>>
>> Steed lied from the beginning about the Hawkins deal. He convinced four of
>> the Hawkins Five (all GMA approved) to spend money and Moscow city staff
>> resources even after Hawkins drilled their own wells and were clearly not
>> interested in Moscow water, and after it was clear that the Hawkins
>> agreement was void ab initio, and thus unenforceable.
>>
>> I wouldn't trust these GMA endorsees to run a charity bingo game, let
>> alone
>> a city.
>>
>> Wayne A. Fox
>> 1009 Karen Lane
>> PO Box 9421
>> Moscow, ID 83843
>>
>> waf at moscow.com
>> 208 882-7975
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darrell Keim
>> To: Art Deco
>> Cc: Vision 2020
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>> Wayne:
>>
>> His moscow.com bio may need updating. But, he can still claim the
>> experience as a project manager, regardless of why he is no longer in
>> that position. Why is adding a part-time barkeep position so
>> important to you?
>>
>> Personal example: I resigned from a past position due to major
>> ideological differences with management. None the less, I can still
>> claim the experience of having done that job.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>> Does this also mean that Weber will correct his official biography on the
>>> Moscow.com site to reflect that he is no longer a project manager, but a
>>> bartender at the Corner Club?
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Greg Kimberling
>>> To: 'Paul Rumelhart' ; 'Wayne Price' ; 'Darrell Keim'
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>> Here is a response from John Weber:
>>>
>>> To Vision 2020 readers and participants; I regret the error on my
>>> Weber-Mayor.com web page.
>>>
>>> I have never been Moscow's Police Chief nor have I ever been the attorney
>>> for the City of Moscow. However I have been on the search committees that
>>> helped fill these positions in the past.
>>>
>>> I would like to thank the Moscow citizens that caught this mistake and
>>> gave me the opportunity to correct it, both on Vision 2020 and my web
>>> page.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to discuss this with me further, please contact me
>>> at 208.882.6794.
>>>
>>> John Weber
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:08 PM
>>> To: Wayne Price; Darrell Keim
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>>
>>> Do we even know that he did the website himself?
>>>
>>> This seems like a lot of controversy over what might just be a simple
>>> typo
>>> made by somebody else. Sure, he should fix it.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber
>>>> To: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:09 AM
>>>> Wayne:
>>>>
>>>> One can make valid points about Webers' attention to detail, citing
>>>> this as an example. But, I contend it IS a whinefest if the error is
>>>> not pointed out to the candidate.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Darrell,
>>>> >
>>>> > NOT a whine-fest! That is how carefully he checked
>>>> his own web page, no
>>>> > one on the list did that for him!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Darrell Keim wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Oh, definitely agreed that he needs to correct it.
>>>> Did anyone think
>>>> >> to point out the error to him? Or is this simply
>>>> a v2020 winefest?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Joe Campbell
>>>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I'm sure he's a nice guy too but he is still
>>>> misrepresenting himself and
>>>> >>> should change it asap. Joe
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Darrell Keim
>>>> <keim153 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Agreed: Missing a colon and/or
>>>> indentation.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I have met John a few times. He seems to
>>>> be a good man. I don't
>>>> >>>> think he would intentionally misrepresent
>>>> these basic facts about
>>>> >>>> himself.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sunil
>>>> Ramalingam
>>>> >>>> <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'm betting he was on the search
>>>> committees for those positions, and is
>>>> >>>>> missing a colon in the line above.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Sunil
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> From: bear at moscow.com
>>>> >>>>>> To: thansen at moscow.com
>>>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:15
>>>> -0700
>>>> >>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question
>>>> Concerning John Weber
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Tom,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> From reading that list he was
>>>> everything in the city except Michael
>>>> >>>>>> Jackson!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> What a rube!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Tom
>>>> Hansen wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Was John Weber ever Moscow's
>>>> Police Chief and/or City Attorney as
>>>> >>>>>>> reflected on his website at:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.weber-mayor.com/weber-mayor_003.htm
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> >>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about
>>>> the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>>>> >>>>>>> change
>>>> >>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his
>>>> sails."
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> - Unknown
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
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