[Vision2020] More Evangelical Christians are Getting It

Mon Oct 19 22:59:25 PDT 2009

It was a joke referencing the article above of a preacher joining a gay
parade.  Thanks for the clarification.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Also, before I get blammed again for something a troll said that I did not
> say, I want to make it clear that it wasn't me who said that Doug Wilson was
> an adulterer, it was you. See below.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Objective Reason <objectivereason at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> "why don't you criticize adulters as much as gays?"  Personally I do just
> as much, but I don't "criticize".  If you are referring to "you" as just
> myself.  But if you're referring to the church in general, they probably do
> just as much, people like you and others on this board however just don't
> like to focus on that.  "my church"?  As in Christ Church?  I don't go to
> Christ Church.  But I know they completely ignore adultery.  In fact, Doug
> Wilson recently joined a Adultery Parade.  Come on.  When they've had issues
> like that, they would take care of it just as much as if they would have
> been homosexuals.  Those are serious answers.  Insult free.
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Joe Campbell <<philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tell me, why don't you criticize adulters as much as gays? And some in
>> your church have committed sexually immoral acts; no doubt some are
>> adulters. Why not use your fake name to publically condemn them?
>>
>> This is a serious set of questions. Save the insults and please answer it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Objective Reason <<objectivereason at gmail.com>
>> objectivereason at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Evangelical Christians are getting it?  There is nothing for Christians to
>> get in that area.  The Bible is explicitly clear concerning homosexuality.
>> I Cor. 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
>> the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor
>> idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor
>> thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will
>> inherit the kingdom of God."
>>
>> I Tim. 1:9-11 "understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the
>> just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for
>> the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for
>> murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality,
>> enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary
>> to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed
>> God with which I have been entrusted."
>>
>> These verses are pretty self-explanatory (whether you agree with them or
>> not).  So Christians that are beginning to accept homosexuality are going
>> against their own faith.  I'm sure you would say that people are entitled to
>> believe whatever they want, and while you obviously don't agree with
>> Christianity very much, it should be pointed out that those "Christians" in
>> the gay parades are the ones not getting it.  Christians should treat them
>> just like murderers, enslavers, liars etc.  Christians preach against it,
>> pray for them, and minister to them, just like murderers etc.  No bigotry
>> here.  But that's obviously not how you see it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Art- You sure draw a lot of conclusions and create a lot of conspiracy
>> theories by not attending the conference or visiting the churches you
>> attack.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Saundra Lund < <v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm><v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm>
>> v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> In spite of Christ Church's gross perversion last week (the "Sexual
>>> Orthodoxy" ministerial conference), it heartens me to continue to come
>>> across more and more Evangelical Christians who really are getting it.
>>>
>>> A Step in Faith
>>> Evangelical Christian Brent Childers explains his journey from believing
>>> that homosexuality was an abomination to marching in a pro-gay march on
>>> Washington.
>>>
>>>  <http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910> <http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910>
>>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910
>>>
>>> "There are many, many others I have met in my work with Faith in America,
>>> as
>>> we try to bring awareness and understanding to the pain and trauma caused
>>> to
>>> LGBT people, especially youth, when church teaching is misused to justify
>>> and promote a societal climate of rejection, condemnation, and
>>> discrimination. . . Every person coming to Washington-whether they are
>>> religious or not-does share one faith, and that is faith in America. We
>>> can
>>> and must do better. As the progress of history has shown, Americans will
>>> prove themselves able to see beyond religion-based bigotry to the
>>> promises
>>> of equal treatment for all. Those who use religion-based bigotry to
>>> persecute and discriminate against LGBT people are on the wrong side of
>>> history, just as they were with slavery, interracial marriage, the
>>> treatment
>>> of women, and so many other issues."
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