[Vision2020] More Evangelical Christians are Getting It

Mon Oct 19 22:56:01 PDT 2009

I didn't put any words in your mouth, I wasn't sure if by "you" what you
were referring to.  Me personally?  A church?  That's why I answered it
whichever way it went.  I was stuck to your words like gum on a shoe.
I did discuss those sins, what part of "When they've had issues like that
(adultery), they would take care of it just as much as if they would have
been homosexuals" do you not understand?

That article I posted about the Muslims was just posting an article.  Not a
criticism, it was no different then your buddy Nick Gier who posts articles
like that about Christians all the time.  You know what I'm talking about.

I would throw a unfaithful Republican under the bus as quickly as any
democrat.  Most Christians would.  Just so happens the media today does it
for us.  We never get a voice to begin with.

Yeah, folks should care there are bigots in this community.  And if someone
were to read some of the stuff that goes on here, they'd probably think
ya'll were being bigots against Christians.  Oh to only hold up a mirror....

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Austin,
>
> Did I say Christ Church, or did you? I didn't say that. Please don't put
> words in my mouth. Someone from Christ Church called me the other day
> because your troll friend put words in my mouth. So stick to my words,
> please.
>
> I just assume that people who quote scripture are members of a church, and
> that members, being human, likely sin. Yet you still have not discussed
> those sins and I wanted to know why.
>
> I suppose the other day when you posted that Muslims are rapists that
> wasn't a criticism either. You know, it would be easier to think that you
> guys weren't bigots if you didn't fall into that stereotype every chance you
> get.
>
> Call out some Republicans for cheating on their wives and folks will take
> your Bible quotes more seriously -- and not see it for the political
> gamesmanship it is. Show some honesty and use your name. For crying out
> loud, you can't even follow the ten commandments yet you lecture others with
> quotes from Leviticus! You pretend to be libertarians but fight for laws
> telling us who we can marry! Holy crap!
>
> Why use an anonomous name? Well there is a good reason, isn't there? And
> it's not just that you want to keep doing business with Muslims!
>
> In any event, let it rip since I won't be responding to your "No Weatherman
> II" gig any longer. I just wanted to make it clear that some folks care that
> there are bigots in our community.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Objective Reason <objectivereason at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> "why don't you criticize adulters as much as gays?"  Personally I do just
> as much, but I don't "criticize".  If you are referring to "you" as just
> myself.  But if you're referring to the church in general, they probably do
> just as much, people like you and others on this board however just don't
> like to focus on that.  "my church"?  As in Christ Church?  I don't go to
> Christ Church.  But I know they completely ignore adultery.  In fact, Doug
> Wilson recently joined a Adultery Parade.  Come on.  When they've had issues
> like that, they would take care of it just as much as if they would have
> been homosexuals.  Those are serious answers.  Insult free.
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Joe Campbell <<philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tell me, why don't you criticize adulters as much as gays? And some in
>> your church have committed sexually immoral acts; no doubt some are
>> adulters. Why not use your fake name to publically condemn them?
>>
>> This is a serious set of questions. Save the insults and please answer it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Objective Reason <<objectivereason at gmail.com>
>> objectivereason at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Evangelical Christians are getting it?  There is nothing for Christians to
>> get in that area.  The Bible is explicitly clear concerning homosexuality.
>> I Cor. 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
>> the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor
>> idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor
>> thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will
>> inherit the kingdom of God."
>>
>> I Tim. 1:9-11 "understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the
>> just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for
>> the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for
>> murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality,
>> enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary
>> to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed
>> God with which I have been entrusted."
>>
>> These verses are pretty self-explanatory (whether you agree with them or
>> not).  So Christians that are beginning to accept homosexuality are going
>> against their own faith.  I'm sure you would say that people are entitled to
>> believe whatever they want, and while you obviously don't agree with
>> Christianity very much, it should be pointed out that those "Christians" in
>> the gay parades are the ones not getting it.  Christians should treat them
>> just like murderers, enslavers, liars etc.  Christians preach against it,
>> pray for them, and minister to them, just like murderers etc.  No bigotry
>> here.  But that's obviously not how you see it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Art- You sure draw a lot of conclusions and create a lot of conspiracy
>> theories by not attending the conference or visiting the churches you
>> attack.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Saundra Lund < <v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm><v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm>
>> v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> In spite of Christ Church's gross perversion last week (the "Sexual
>>> Orthodoxy" ministerial conference), it heartens me to continue to come
>>> across more and more Evangelical Christians who really are getting it.
>>>
>>> A Step in Faith
>>> Evangelical Christian Brent Childers explains his journey from believing
>>> that homosexuality was an abomination to marching in a pro-gay march on
>>> Washington.
>>>
>>>  <http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910> <http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910>
>>> http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910
>>>
>>> "There are many, many others I have met in my work with Faith in America,
>>> as
>>> we try to bring awareness and understanding to the pain and trauma caused
>>> to
>>> LGBT people, especially youth, when church teaching is misused to justify
>>> and promote a societal climate of rejection, condemnation, and
>>> discrimination. . . Every person coming to Washington-whether they are
>>> religious or not-does share one faith, and that is faith in America. We
>>> can
>>> and must do better. As the progress of history has shown, Americans will
>>> prove themselves able to see beyond religion-based bigotry to the
>>> promises
>>> of equal treatment for all. Those who use religion-based bigotry to
>>> persecute and discriminate against LGBT people are on the wrong side of
>>> history, just as they were with slavery, interracial marriage, the
>>> treatment
>>> of women, and so many other issues."
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