[Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Thu Nov 19 17:17:27 PST 2009
Oh dear, once again poor old Mr. Deco has missed the point by a country mile and Mrs. Mix comes closest to the mark. I didn't for a second think that the folks at Newsweek were consciously trying to displaying their sexism. Quite to the contrary, I think that every person even remotely involved with that cover considers themselves to be the very definition of a proper feminist. However I do think that the picture was chosen to portray former Gov. Palin as a lightweight, a mere pretty trifle whose quaint notions are easily dismissed as fluff. From their point of view denigrating a woman who isn't down with their version of what a feminist should be couldn't possibly be sexist even when the end results are one and the same.
What I found amusing was your pronouncement, made as another thoroughly modern, progressive, down with the gals type of metro male, that the photo was unquestionably OK ("I hardly think the photo sexist") and then immediately go on to demean the subject of the photo based on nothing more then the gender and her pose!
Of course, on the other hand, I have long ago been deemed a sexist, as defined by those who determine things such as that on this forum. I have publicly stated that I do not believe in women being even remotely close to combat if they belong in the military at all. I don't believe that they should be police or firemen unless they can meet the exact same physical requirement as the males. I believe that boy scouts should be for boys and that an all male club will not bring about the end of the world. So, who am I to disagree with those who purport to be experts?
Finally, in answer to your falsely premised question, no I don't think the new photo's you've posted are sexist. Unflattering yes (all guys in short pants look goofy) I'm just thankful that at least he had enough dignity to not be wearing euro-weenie bike racing spandex. Course if he had, I'm fairly sure Condoleezza would have set him straight muy pronto and if not, Cheney would have quite rightfully shot him.
g
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From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
It not quite as simple as "Newsweek used the photo without permission."
http://www.mediaite.com/print/runners-world-distances-from-newsweek-palin-photo/
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/11/17/official-statement-on-newsweek-s-sarah-palin-cover.aspx
Since Crabtree thinks that the cover photo of Palin is sexist, perhaps he'll also claim these photos of a familiar political figure in shorts is sexist also.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: the lockshop
To: Donovan Arnold ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Kai Eiselein
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
No one is seeking any type of recourse to my knowlege. (Runner's World possibly excepted) My assertion that Newsweek used the photo without permission was questioned and I was simply backing up my remark.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: the lockshop ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Kai Eiselein
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
I don't think Palin has much recourse considering that she willingly posed for the photo and is a public figure. If she was a private person, or was not posing for the photo, she could probably sue. But I don't think she will get anywhere with this other than complaining. She also would have to show actual harm caused her by the photo, and I don't think anyone is thinking it is a bad photo, in fact, she looks rather healthy and athletic, especially for a grandmother. :)
Donovan Arnold
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Kai Eiselein <le-editor at moscow.com> wrote:
From: Kai Eiselein <le-editor at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 12:18 AM
Sounds like a lawsuit in the making to me. Someone at that stock agency will probably be joining the line at the unemployment office as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: the lockshop
To: Kai Eiselein ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
From the Runners World web site:
"On the cover of this week's issue of Newsweek is a photo that was shot exclusively for the August 2009 issue of Runner's World, in which Sarah Palin was featured on the monthly "I'm a runner" back page. The photos from that shoot are still under a one year embargo, and Runners World did not provide Newsweek with its cover image. It was provided to Newsweek by the photographer's stock agency, without Runner's World's knowledge or permission."
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Kai Eiselein
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Copyright-was "The new The Saga Continues"
Regarding copyright, Newsweek may very well have purchased, or may have been granted permission by the publisher of Runner's World, or the photographer to use the photo.
In addition, Palin may have signed a release allowing Runner's World or the photographer to do basically whatever they wanted with the photo, including selling it to other organizations.
Even if she didn't sign one, they could have bypassed any need for Palin's approval since it was used in an editorial context.
Just because Palin is the subject of the photo doesn't mean she has any rights to it's use, that right belongs with the owner of the copyright.
If there was any infringement, that issue would be between Newsweek and the copyright owner. Palin would have nothing to do with it.
Kai Eiselein
Publisher, The Eagle & Boomerang
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