[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 53

Thu Nov 5 14:48:38 PST 2009

Oooohhhhh, so sorrrry Chuck.  Let me re-phrase.

By serving 5 months of a 5-15yr sentence for having the chicken shit nerve to pull out a gun and strip someone of their life from their family then taking a bargain basement deal that changes the definition in a legal sense; you're right, he didn't get away with murder.

He got away with killing a guy.

Very clear now....Thanks.

Maybe we should all carry guns around in case we have a small dispute to settle and are too weak to use our fist or take a hit.

Hell, drunk's kill completely innocent and unsuspecting drivers all the time and seem to serve out their time for IN-voluntary murder.  What programs are available for them to get off with only 5 months as this case of VOLUNTARY MURDER?

Webster's definition (hint: not the same as a lawyer's)

Main Entry: 1mur·der 
Pronunciation: \ˈmər-dər\
Function: noun 
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Anglo-French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person 
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was murder> b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting away with murder>

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> From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
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> Correct me if I'm wrong, but this guy plead guilty to manslaughter, not murder. There is a REAL BIG difference, in case anyone was in some small way concerned with the facts. Chuck Kovis
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> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> To: <deco at moscow.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> For heaven's sake, Wayne, you just wrote to me that he did have a drinking problem. I think that's probably clear enough. And, for the zillionth time, I think it's inappropriate -- hurtful, unkind -- to bring it up.
> 
> ?????
> 
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: deco at moscow.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:49:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> JFOR, Matt stop lying!
> 
> 
> I have never made such an assertion.
> 
> Show V2020 anything that I asserted that even resembled "he's is in 
> and has been in an alcohol recovery program". You are free to post all 
> private correspondence between us on this subject.
> 
> 
> W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> Matt 
> Decker 
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com ; philosopher.joe at gmail.com 
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:59 
> PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just 
> Curious
> 
> I believe his words something to the effect of "he's is in and 
> has been in an alcohol recovery program". He never said alki but thats the way 
> most will take it. For that I apologize to Wayne.
> 
> MD 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com; mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 5 
> Nov 2009 08:31:45 -0800
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: 
> [Vision2020] Just Curious
> 
> 
> 
> I must have missed Art Deco's saying that Weber was an "alki," but if that 
> happened, it's beyond regrettable and I hope Wayne apologizes . . . 
> 
> 
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 5 
> Nov 2009 08:01:35 -0800
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: 
> [Vision2020] Just Curious
> 
> 
> One other thing. When someone brought up Weber's job as a bartender, I 
> did write on the V that that was irrelevant. Maybe you have a better opinion 
> of me if you stopped distorting what I say and stopped conveniently forgetting 
> the posts I write that you agree with.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe,
> 
> 
> Exactly Joe, "what has anyone done on the left that you have complained 
> about"?
> 
> To clarify when I stated negativity or mudslinging goes 
> both ways, I was not just meaning around here. I believe our town has a 
> wide variety of faces and opinions all worthy. But dont for one minute 
> think that the good ol nasty mudslinging doesnt happen both 
> ways.
> 
> Ex.
> 
> Art deco claiming Weber is an alki 
> and mentioning how he works at the club. How does he know? Is Art 
> a drinking buddy? What is the purpose of stating he works at a bar. 
> Answer: To BELITTLE 
> 
> Another one
> 
> A lady wrote 
> an opinion piece in the daily news about two weeks ago mentioning how she 
> won't vote for Weber or Brown because of "these" obnoxious signs around 
> town. How all the money raised by the GMA is being wasted on signs. Low and 
> behold the facts come out showing that Chaney has made more money along 
> with Reese raising more than Weber. Also, Chaney having the samne size signs 
> all throughout Moscow.
> 
> Lastly for the 
> night
> 
> You
> 
> "This is why the radical right movement 
> is such a joke. They promote 
> the view that government is out of touch 
> and corrupt yet their 
> candidate for mayor needs a third party to 
> communicate and their state 
> senator likes to circumvent the democratic 
> process with last minute 
> stunts, like this weekend's 
> letter".
> 
> Along with referring to our city council as "joke 
> radicals". Care to explain?
> 
> Your last page excuse, mentioning 
> how you never said they are radicals, looks weird to me from the above 
> statements.
> 
> Joe can you imagine if I said the radical 
> left movement on this site. But then again I wouldn't do that. Just 
> like I don't expect that from you. 
> 
> Take 
> care
> 
> MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: 
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Subject: 
> Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:20:10 -0800
> CC: 
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> 
> Give me a break! What exactly has anyone from the left done that I have 
> complained about? Give ONE example? There is none.
> 
> 
> Again, what IS radical if circumventing the Democratic process is not? 
> And if you've been paying attention, it wasn't the first time. It is a 
> regular occurence. What IS radical if having connections with a group on the 
> Southern Poverty Law Center watch list is not?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So why not complain when the left does it Joe? Don't tell me they 
> don't. 
> 
> Both sides do and I don't agree with it. But, to label Gary 
> as a radical, is a little far fetched in my opinion.
> 
> Gotta 
> work
> 
> 
> 
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: 
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Date: 
> Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:46:04 -0800
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: 
> Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> 
> 
> Another thing: if circumventing the Democratic process is not radical 
> enough, what is? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ok. So is he radical?
> 
> M
> 
> 
> 
> From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> To: 
> mattd2107 at hotmail.com
> Subject: 
> Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:54:38 
> -0800
> CC: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> 
> Matt,
> 
> 
> He quoted the sitting mayor from a confidential letter leaked on 
> Dale Courtney's website. At least that was the source according to his 
> website when I checked it this morning.
> 
> 
> He also quoted Nancy out of context. And he did it all while hiding 
> his source. Why did he hide the source? Well one reason is that we'd 
> figure out the quote was out of context. You guess the other 
> reason.
> 
> 
> I'm for information, not distortion. That's democracy for me. Give 
> me the info and I'll decide. And when my guy resorts to this sort of 
> crap, I tell him to hit the road. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Not so sure Schroeder is radical right. Do you think he is 
> in the same as Limbaugh and Hannity?
> 
> > From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> > 
> To: thansen at moscow.com
> > Date: 
> Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:03:38 -0800
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > 
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Curious
> > 
> > This is why 
> the radical right movement is such a joke. They promote 
> > the 
> view that government is out of touch and corrupt yet their 
> > 
> candidate for mayor needs a third party to communicate and their state 
> 
> > senator likes to circumvent the democratic process with last 
> minute 
> > stunts, like this weekend's letter.
> > 
> > 
> Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:26 PM, "Tom 
> Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Bottom line, Wayne . . .
> > 
> >
> > > If the mayor is not accessible by the people, how is 
> that mayor 
> > > going to
> > > represent those 
> people?
> > >
> > > Mayor Chaney responds to public 
> email inquiries regularly.
> > >
> > > Here it is the 
> night before election day and the people of Moscow 
> > > 
> don't
> > > even know if John Weber even checks his 
> email.
> > >
> > > Why does John Weber respond to the 
> people of Moscow, DURING HIS 
> > > ELECTION
> > > 
> CAMPAIGN, through a third party (Greg Kimberling)?
> > 
> >
> > > If John Weber is elected mayor, will Greg Kimberling 
> be Mayor Weber's
> > > communication link with the people of 
> Moscow?
> > >
> > > Seeya at the polls, Moscow.
> > 
> >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > 
> >
> > > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the 
> Optimist expects it to 
> > > change
> > > and the 
> Realist adjusts his sails."
> > >
> > > - 
> Unknown
> > >
> > >
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