[Vision2020] Public Smoking

[Joe Campbell]

Bear,

I'm not a regulator. I'm not sure what side to take in this issue  
since I see good arguments on both sides. But I can't help but comment  
when I see a bad argument and the "choice" argument promoted by you  
and Kai and others strikes me as a bad argument. If it were a good  
argument, it would work against government regulation of any kind but  
it doesn't.

Joe Campbell

On Jun 21, 2009, at 8:36 AM, bear at moscow.com wrote:

> Kai,
>
> I have a feeling that nothing we can say, or even try to enter into a
> discussion where alternatives, will please the "Regulators"!
>
> They will find all sorts of "straw men" to throw out, like the service
> persons having to come in (they aren't forced to fix equipment by the
> way), and I love the insurance argument!  How many waiters and  
> waitresses
> even get insurance?
>
> There are many dangers in every occupation, and they have a CHOICE.  
> What
> the "Regulators" are really annoyed about is that they can't control
> everything (yet) so they will chip away and chip away. Hell, they  
> aren't
> happy with the state law allowing exceptions to the "Idaho Clean Air  
> Act",
> so they will chip away where and when they can.
>
> Mostly, I vote with my wallet on these issues. (And I vote at the  
> poles
> during elections) IF a place bothers me, I don't go there. The
> "Regulators" aren't happy with that choice. Rather than not go to an
> establishment where the smoking is allowed under State Law, they  
> want the
> establishment to change via imposed legislation from the city council.
>
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>> I actually excpected an answer like Mike's.
>> So, how often are "others" in a bar during the bar's "operating  
>> hours"?
>> They don't operate on a "9-5" schedule.
>> Most, if not all, of the maintainance, repairs and deliveries are  
>> made
>> while the joint is closed.
>> So, it would seem that Mike's response is the true "straw man".
>> There was nothing dismissive, people were whining about those who are
>> employed at smoking establishments. I made a reasonable suggestion.
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