[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

[bear at moscow.com]

Paul,

Clearly Rosemary has "drank the Cool aid" and her defense to anyone that
sees two sides to the conflict in Palestine/Israel is to label them a
bigot, and she now accuses me of, "'ll
bet you've got a storehouse full of Jewish "jokes" you could trot out for
V2020 participants under the guise of free speech".

I can't explain why she thought my use of Mogen David Services" was a joke
either. When you look up the background of the source she quotes as
"facts", PalestineFacts.Org comes back to Mogen David Services, 22425
Ventura Blvd. #194, Woodland Hills CA 91364 US

http://www.aboutus.org/PalestineFacts.org

All I was sating was that it is a biased source, but she comes back
swinging the anti-semite hammer!  This is one of the key issues in the
Middle East today. IF anyone says there are two sides to the problem, the
pro-Israel lobby in the US, rather than discussing the issue, broad
brushes the people that see two sides of the issue as bigots! Oh well.


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> So, to sum up, your response is to call him a stupid anti-semite?
> You'll have to explain the "Mogen David Services" joke to me - all I got
> from it is that he thinks you're using a biased source.
> I also think the idea that allowing the other side to state their case
> is somehow tacit approval of their actions is a very dangerous one.
>
> Paul
>
> Rosemary wrote:
>> Bear,
>> Mogan David Services.....is that your idea of an intelligent response?
>> I'll
>> bet you've got a storehouse full of Jewish "jokes" you could trot out
>> for
>> V2020 participants under the guise of free speech. No point in having
>> this
>> conversation for two reasons: you have amply demonstrated that you know
>> little of the origin and subsequent events which lead to the Israeli /
>> Palestinian conflict and, unlike you, I don't consider bigotry an
>> acceptable
>> position for anyone to embrace.
>> Rose
>>
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bear at moscow.com [mailto:bear at moscow.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:11 PM
>> To: Rosemary
>> Cc: bear at moscow.com; 'vision 2020'
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>>
>> Rosemary,
>>
>>
>> Using a "fact based response" from  Mogen David Services is a bit like
>> using  the Aryan Nations  News Service to explain World War Two!  I am
>> not
>> sorry you find the current situation in Palestine/Israel offensive, as I
>> find the conditions there offensive also. Until BOTH sides are willing
>> to
>> sit down and act like reasonable members of the community of nations,
>> there will be no solution, and the needless slaughter will continue on
>> both sides.
>>
>> As long as the Palestinians are refused the right of return TO THEIR
>> LAND
>> now occupied by Israel, it is the same as mass ghettoization conducted
>> by
>> the Nazi's.  The demolished Palestinian villages of Imwas, Yalo, Beit
>> Nuba, Surit, Beit Awwa, Beit Mirsem, Shuyukh, Jiftlik, Agarith and
>> Huseirat, and the "emptying" of the refugee camps of ʿAqabat Jabr
>> and
>> ʿEin Sulṭān are no different than the leveling of the
>> various ghettos during the Nazi era. Do you really think that building
>> Israeli settlements on Palestinian property will aid the peace process?
>> And there are  over four million registered Palestinian refugees with
>> the
>> UN in 2002!
>>
>> And yes, I even think that  "Those who hold those beliefs perpetuate
>> bigotry, ignorance, and not infrequently, hateful behavior." have a
>> right
>> to be heard!  I'm NOT "giving tacit
>> support to holocaust deniers and defenders of slavery" as you stated,
>> but
>> I believe they have a right to be heard, no matter how wacky their ideas
>> are.
>> And you further stated: "Being liberal doesn't mean that lies should be
>> given an equal
>> platform with the truth."  My question to you is WHO'S TRUTH? WHO
>> decides
>> they are lies IF  as you suggest they should not be given a voice?
>>
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