[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

[Paul Rumelhart]

So, to sum up, your response is to call him a stupid anti-semite?

You'll have to explain the "Mogen David Services" joke to me - all I got 
from it is that he thinks you're using a biased source.

I also think the idea that allowing the other side to state their case 
is somehow tacit approval of their actions is a very dangerous one. 

Paul

Rosemary wrote:
> Bear,
> Mogan David Services.....is that your idea of an intelligent response? I'll
> bet you've got a storehouse full of Jewish "jokes" you could trot out for
> V2020 participants under the guise of free speech. No point in having this
> conversation for two reasons: you have amply demonstrated that you know
> little of the origin and subsequent events which lead to the Israeli /
> Palestinian conflict and, unlike you, I don't consider bigotry an acceptable
> position for anyone to embrace.
> Rose
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bear at moscow.com [mailto:bear at moscow.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:11 PM
> To: Rosemary
> Cc: bear at moscow.com; 'vision 2020'
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
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> Rosemary,
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> Using a "fact based response" from  Mogen David Services is a bit like
> using  the Aryan Nations  News Service to explain World War Two!  I am not
> sorry you find the current situation in Palestine/Israel offensive, as I
> find the conditions there offensive also. Until BOTH sides are willing to
> sit down and act like reasonable members of the community of nations,
> there will be no solution, and the needless slaughter will continue on
> both sides.
>
> As long as the Palestinians are refused the right of return TO THEIR LAND
> now occupied by Israel, it is the same as mass ghettoization conducted by
> the Nazi's.  The demolished Palestinian villages of Imwas, Yalo, Beit
> Nuba, Surit, Beit Awwa, Beit Mirsem, Shuyukh, Jiftlik, Agarith and
> Huseirat, and the "emptying" of the refugee camps of ʿAqabat Jabr and
> ʿEin Sulṭān are no different than the leveling of the
> various ghettos during the Nazi era. Do you really think that building
> Israeli settlements on Palestinian property will aid the peace process?
> And there are  over four million registered Palestinian refugees with the
> UN in 2002!
>
> And yes, I even think that  "Those who hold those beliefs perpetuate
> bigotry, ignorance, and not infrequently, hateful behavior." have a right
> to be heard!  I'm NOT "giving tacit
> support to holocaust deniers and defenders of slavery" as you stated, but
> I believe they have a right to be heard, no matter how wacky their ideas
> are.
> And you further stated: "Being liberal doesn't mean that lies should be
> given an equal
> platform with the truth."  My question to you is WHO'S TRUTH? WHO decides
> they are lies IF  as you suggest they should not be given a voice?
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