[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Sun Jun 14 17:06:58 PDT 2009


Just tell me what your views are and what I said that was false. The  
fact that you won't reject slavery revisionism is telling otherwise.

Joe Campbell

On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:25 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
wrote:

> I don't give two hoots in hell about your appology. I'm "suggesting"  
> that you can't back up your repeated assertion regarding my views on  
> slavery and the holocaust and that you are now trying to shift the  
> discussion in an effort to avoid owning up to it. Believe me when I  
> say this comes as no suprise.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Campbell
> To: g. crabtree
> Cc: Paul Rumelhart ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Gary,
>
> Are you suggesting that you never defended Wilson, or his views on  
> slavery? Do you think Wilson's views are as crazy as those of the  
> holocaust denier? If so, then say so and I'll issue an appology!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm still waiting for you to back up the "defends Wilson's book in  
>> slavery" and "my saying that "slavery wasn't so bad" or that the  
>> holocaust never happened."
>>
>> Seems odd that you would be so adamant that others move mountains  
>> to back up their remarks (even though you disregard it when they  
>> do) and yet fecklessly refuse to do so yourself. Not much for  
>> accountability are ya?
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>>
>> >I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
>> > mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.
>> > Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be
>> > able to notice how offensive Fox is.
>> >
>> > Joe Campbell
>> >
>> > On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,
>> >> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
>> >> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't  
>> put
>> >> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information"  
>> then
>> >> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat,  
>> that.
>> >>
>> >> g
>> >> ----- Original Message -----      From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> >> Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Paul,
>> >>>
>> >>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're
>> >>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.
>> >>>
>> >>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree  
>> from
>> >>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's  
>> post
>> >>> with  some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as
>> >>> irresponsible since  it just muddys the water. Not every
>> >>> organization is biased in the way  Fox is. Someone needed to  
>> point
>> >>> that out and I did so. That is all  there is to it. I made no
>> >>> comments about conservative news  organizations in general, just
>> >>> the one bad apple.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe Campbell
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart  
>> <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Joe Campbell wrote:
>> >>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you
>> >>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
>> >>>>> What a joke!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.   
>> All I
>> >>>> said was that all news has bias.  That includes both the NY  
>> Times
>> >>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
>> >>>> relative  to each other.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You've drawn a line in the sand.  There is a "right" that  
>> watches
>> >>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
>> >>>> Times.   The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.
>> >>>> If you  really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover  
>> so
>> >>>> much  territory that you can't help but agree with a few  
>> concepts
>> >>>> "across  the line".
>> >>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we
>> >>>> have to throw that crap out the window.  All of us have to do
>> >>>> this.   Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
>> >>>> highlighting the  differences.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Paul
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
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