<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Just tell me what your views are and what I said that was false. The fact that you won't reject slavery revisionism is telling otherwise.<br><br>Joe Campbell</div><div><br>On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:25 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I don't give two hoots in hell about your
appology. I'm "suggesting" that you can't back up your repeated assertion
regarding my views on slavery and the holocaust and that you are now trying to
shift the discussion in an effort to avoid owning up to it. Believe me when I
say this comes as no suprise.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:17 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The
Big Hate</div>
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<div>Gary,</div>
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<div>Are you suggesting that you never defended Wilson, or his views on
slavery? Do you think Wilson's views are as crazy as those of the holocaust
denier? If so, then say so and I'll issue an appology!</div>
<div><br>Joe Campbell</div>
<div><br>On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:40 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm still waiting for you to back up the
"defends Wilson's book in slavery" and "my saying that "slavery wasn't so
bad" or that the holocaust never happened." </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Seems odd that you would be so adamant that
others move mountains to back up their remarks (even though you disregard it
when they do) and yet fecklessly refuse to do so yourself. Not much for
accountability are ya?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21
PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big
Hate</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">>I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are
not <br>> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as
bad as Fox. <br>> Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book
in slavery to be <br>> able to notice how offensive Fox is.<br>>
<br>> Joe Campbell<br>> <br>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g.
crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>
<br>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> If you imagine that MSNBC with
Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews, <br>>> Newsweek and Evan Thomas,
and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery <br>>> Dvorkin, Nina
Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put <br>>> a
particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then
<br>>> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat,
that.<br>>><br>>> g<br>>> ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">
<br>>> ><br>>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>> Cc: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM<br>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big
Hate<br>>><br>>><br>>>>
Paul,<br>>>><br>>>> And what does this have to do with
anything I've said? You're <br>>>> obviously reading
something into my post that I did not say.<br>>>><br>>>>
Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
<br>>>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow
Tom's post <br>>>> with some claim that "Everyone does
it" strikes me as <br>>>> irresponsible since it just
muddys the water. Not every <br>>>> organization is biased in
the way Fox is. Someone needed to point <br>>>> that
out and I did so. That is all there is to it. I made no
<br>>>> comments about conservative news organizations in
general, just <br>>>> the one bad
apple.<br>>>><br>>>> Joe
Campbell<br>>>><br>>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul
Rumelhart <</font><a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">godshatter@yahoo.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">> <br>>>>
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> Joe Campbell
wrote:<br>>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with
Paul. Folks like you <br>>>>>> have got him
convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
<br>>>>>> What a
joke!<br>>>>><br>>>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY
Times is as bad as Fox News. All I <br>>>>>
said was that all news has bias. That includes both the NY
Times <br>>>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing
about the amount of bias <br>>>>> relative to each
other.<br>>>>><br>>>>> You've drawn a line in the
sand. There is a "right" that watches <br>>>>>
only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
<br>>>>> Times. The truth is, that line doesn't
really exist as a line. <br>>>>> If you really
look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so
<br>>>>> much territory that you can't help but agree with
a few concepts <br>>>>> "across the
line".<br>>>>> If we're ever going to come back together again
as a country, we <br>>>>> have to throw that crap
out the window. All of us have to do <br>>>>>
this. Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
<br>>>>> highlighting the
differences.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Paul<br>>>>><br>>><br>>><br>></font>
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