[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

[Andreas Schou]

Dan --

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fox News, however, seems to
believe that everyone is also entitled to their own facts.

-- ACS

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I think people are entitled to their opinion.
>
> I don't necessarily have to agree with their opinion.  Nor do I have to
> agree with yours.
>
> As Paul wondered earlier, why do we have to draw lines in the sand?  Why
> must we search for divisiveness?  I'd just as soon get along.
>
> DC
>
> p.s. my initial post was lighthearted in nature.  I thought you'd "get"
> it.  Sunil and Carl would have!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Campbell [mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:27 PM
> To: Dan Carscallen
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Is it that I'm biased or that you are too afraid to buck the Wilson
> camp for fear of losing votes?
>
> Well, we can test it.
>
> Don't you think that Wilson's revisionism about US slavery is just as
> bad as the denial of the holocaust; if not, why not?
>
> My guess is you won't answer this question -- which is a bit of the
> very problem I'm trying to note.
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:27 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > Your bias is showing.
> >
> > DC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM
> > To: g. crabtree
> > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >
> > I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
> > mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.
> > Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be
> > able to notice how offensive Fox is.
> >
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,
> >> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
> >> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put
> >> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then
> >> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.
> >>
> >> g
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
> > <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>>
> >> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >>
> >>
> >>> Paul,
> >>>
> >>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're
> >>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.
> >>>
> >>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
> >>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post
> >>> with  some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as
> >>> irresponsible since  it just muddys the water. Not every
> >>> organization is biased in the way  Fox is. Someone needed to point
> >>> that out and I did so. That is all  there is to it. I made no
> >>> comments about conservative news  organizations in general, just
> >>> the one bad apple.
> >>>
> >>> Joe Campbell
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Joe Campbell wrote:
> >>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you
> >>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
> >>>>> What a joke!
> >>>>
> >>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.  All I
> >>>> said was that all news has bias.  That includes both the NY Times
> >>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
> >>>> relative  to each other.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've drawn a line in the sand.  There is a "right" that watches
> >>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
> >>>> Times.   The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.
> >>>> If you  really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so
> >>>> much  territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts
> >>>> "across  the line".
> >>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we
> >>>> have to throw that crap out the window.  All of us have to do
> >>>> this.   Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
> >>>> highlighting the  differences.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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