[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

Dan Carscallen areaman at moscow.com
Sun Jun 14 15:09:59 PDT 2009 

Andreas,
 
That may be the case, or maybe just your opinion (see my tongue in my
cheek there?).  
 
Ironically, you probably know more about - and watch more of - Fox News
than I do.  You must, because you know more about them. I've never
stopped on the channel (except maybe during election time when comparing
the different results each network seems to have).
 
I get my TV news from Kalae Chock and Mike Gonzales, with a bit of
weather from Mark Petersen, every morning at 5 am.  So, if you want to
argue channel 2 vs. 4 vs. 6, I'll stand by channel 4 all the way. Even
if Rick Lukens is something of a goob.
 
So there's that . . .
 
DC
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Schou [mailto:ophite at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Dan Carscallen
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
 
Dan --

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fox News, however, seems to
believe that everyone is also entitled to their own facts.

-- ACS
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>
wrote:
Joe,

I think people are entitled to their opinion.

I don't necessarily have to agree with their opinion.  Nor do I have to
agree with yours.

As Paul wondered earlier, why do we have to draw lines in the sand?  Why
must we search for divisiveness?  I'd just as soon get along.

DC

p.s. my initial post was lighthearted in nature.  I thought you'd "get"
it.  Sunil and Carl would have!

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Campbell [mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:27 PM
To: Dan Carscallen
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

Is it that I'm biased or that you are too afraid to buck the Wilson
camp for fear of losing votes?

Well, we can test it.

Don't you think that Wilson's revisionism about US slavery is just as
bad as the denial of the holocaust; if not, why not?

My guess is you won't answer this question -- which is a bit of the
very problem I'm trying to note.

Joe Campbell

On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:27 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <areaman at moscow.com>
wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Your bias is showing.
>
> DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: g. crabtree
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not
> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.
> Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be
> able to notice how offensive Fox is.
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,
>> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery
>> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put
>> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then
>> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>
>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>>
>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're
>>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.
>>>
>>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from
>>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post
>>> with  some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as
>>> irresponsible since  it just muddys the water. Not every
>>> organization is biased in the way  Fox is. Someone needed to point
>>> that out and I did so. That is all  there is to it. I made no
>>> comments about conservative news  organizations in general, just
>>> the one bad apple.
>>>
>>> Joe Campbell
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe Campbell wrote:
>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you
>>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.
>>>>> What a joke!
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.  All I
>>>> said was that all news has bias.  That includes both the NY Times
>>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias
>>>> relative  to each other.
>>>>
>>>> You've drawn a line in the sand.  There is a "right" that watches
>>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY
>>>> Times.   The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.
>>>> If you  really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so
>>>> much  territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts
>>>> "across  the line".
>>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we
>>>> have to throw that crap out the window.  All of us have to do
>>>> this.   Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're
>>>> highlighting the  differences.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>
>>
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