Dan --<br><br>Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fox News, however, seems to believe that everyone is also entitled to their own facts.<br><br>-- ACS<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Dan Carscallen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Joe,<br>
<br>
I think people are entitled to their opinion.<br>
<br>
I don't necessarily have to agree with their opinion. Nor do I have to<br>
agree with yours.<br>
<br>
As Paul wondered earlier, why do we have to draw lines in the sand? Why<br>
must we search for divisiveness? I'd just as soon get along.<br>
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DC<br>
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p.s. my initial post was lighthearted in nature. I thought you'd "get"<br>
it. Sunil and Carl would have!<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joe Campbell [mailto:<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:27 PM<br>
To: Dan Carscallen<br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>
<br>
Is it that I'm biased or that you are too afraid to buck the Wilson<br>
camp for fear of losing votes?<br>
<br>
Well, we can test it.<br>
<br>
Don't you think that Wilson's revisionism about US slavery is just as<br>
bad as the denial of the holocaust; if not, why not?<br>
<br>
My guess is you won't answer this question -- which is a bit of the<br>
very problem I'm trying to note.<br>
<br>
Joe Campbell<br>
<br>
On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:27 PM, "Dan Carscallen" <<a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">areaman@moscow.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Joe,<br>
><br>
> Your bias is showing.<br>
><br>
> DC<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] On Behalf Of Joe Campbell<br>
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:21 PM<br>
> To: g. crabtree<br>
> Cc: <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>
><br>
> I haven't heard of half these people. Of these, most are not<br>
> mainstream in the Fox is; of the others they are not as bad as Fox.<br>
> Nor do I expect someone who defends Wilson's book in slavery to be<br>
> able to notice how offensive Fox is.<br>
><br>
> Joe Campbell<br>
><br>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:41 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,<br>
>> Newsweek and Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery<br>
>> Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put<br>
>> a particularly and decidedly liberal spin on its "information" then<br>
>> you're even thicker than I previously imagined. No mean feat, that.<br>
>><br>
>> g<br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
>>><br>
>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> Paul,<br>
>>><br>
>>> And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're<br>
>>> obviously reading something into my post that I did not say.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from<br>
>>> any other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post<br>
>>> with some claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as<br>
>>> irresponsible since it just muddys the water. Not every<br>
>>> organization is biased in the way Fox is. Someone needed to point<br>
>>> that out and I did so. That is all there is to it. I made no<br>
>>> comments about conservative news organizations in general, just<br>
>>> the one bad apple.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Joe Campbell<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Joe Campbell wrote:<br>
>>>>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you<br>
>>>>> have got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.<br>
>>>>> What a joke!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News. All I<br>
>>>> said was that all news has bias. That includes both the NY Times<br>
>>>> and Fox News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias<br>
>>>> relative to each other.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You've drawn a line in the sand. There is a "right" that watches<br>
>>>> only Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY<br>
>>>> Times. The truth is, that line doesn't really exist as a line.<br>
>>>> If you really look at it, the right and left ideologies cover so<br>
>>>> much territory that you can't help but agree with a few concepts<br>
>>>> "across the line".<br>
>>>> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we<br>
>>>> have to throw that crap out the window. All of us have to do<br>
>>>> this. Instead of looking for where we might agree, we're<br>
>>>> highlighting the differences.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Paul<br>
>>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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