[Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?

[g. crabtree]

Chas is right in one respect, this issue has been argued exhaustively on 
this forum and I can't believe that giving it one more lap around the block 
will produce anything of value.

Suffice it to say that I don't believe that there is any kind of strange 
dichotomy between having respect and reverence for innocent human life while 
wanting to be rid of those who have proven beyond a doubt to be capable of 
maliciously taking the lives of others for no better reason then because 
they can for their own pleasure and gain.

I can't help but go back to the Duncan analogy.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bear at moscow.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <bear at moscow.com>; "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; "Moscow 
Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?


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> So, the rights of a 30 week old shoe lace equate to that of a 40 week old
> fetus based on what you wrote?
>
> Ok, so then what would be the abortion problem?
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>> I am hard pressed to think of a right I would extend to a 40 week old
>> person
>> that I wouldn't be happy to afford a 30 week old "shoelace." What rights
>> did
>> you have in mind
>> that shouldn't apply?
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> Cc: <bear at moscow.com>; "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; "Moscow
>> Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
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>>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> I see your point, but then the unborn child, or "pre-born" if you will
>>> has
>>> the same rights as the post born?
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>>>> Isn't a pre-born child the very definition of innocence while a
>>>> convicted
>>>> murderer epitomizes its polar opposite? The notion of having no regard
>>>> for
>>>> the former while extending all consideration to the later seems screwed
>>>> up
>>>> and backward in the extreme.
>>>>
>>>> Murder the infant and lavish mercy on Joseph Duncan? This seems just?
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:31 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
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>>>>>
>>>>> Ted and Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess i have to ask the question, "Does it make a difference one way
>>>>> or
>>>>> the other"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking myself as an example, I was raised and am a practicing
>>>>> Catholic.
>>>>> I
>>>>> do not believe in abortions at all, however, I do believe in choice.
>>>>> Pro
>>>>> choice does NOT equal pro-abortion.
>>>>>
>>>>> And just as an aside, have you ever noticed how the "anti-abortion"
>>>>> folks
>>>>> are usually pro death penalty?  I think those of us that oppose the
>>>>> death
>>>>> penalty (which I do), should just call it post-birth abortions and we
>>>>> could get most of the anti-abortion folks on board!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Ted Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/5/09, *Paul Rumelhart* <godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I used to speculate wildly about whether or not our former
>>>>>>>     President was
>>>>>>>     really a believer or if he was blatantly manipulating the
>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>     right through their own predilictions (or both).  What it comes
>>>>>>>     down to
>>>>>>>     is this: we can't look into their hearts.  Sotomayor may be the
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>     devout Catholic evar, but doesn't outwardly show it on a
>>>>>>> day-to-day
>>>>>>>     basis.  For all I know, she goes to church three times a week
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>     get away from her family.  We just can't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you state "we just can't know" about Sotomayor's regularity
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> church attendance?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rereading that, I see I wasn't very clear.  I'm not saying "we just
>>>>>> can't know" about her regularity of church attendance.  I'm saying
>>>>>> "we
>>>>>> just can't know" what's in her heart, what she actually believes deep
>>>>>> down inside.  The most regular church attender might be a closet
>>>>>> Luciferan Satanist, people who never go to church may be extremely
>>>>>> spiritual Christians.  We can speculate wildly about what they
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> believe.  We can even read what they claim to believe, but we'll
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> know exactly what they actually believe, because we can't get inside
>>>>>> their heads or their hearts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the time I wrote it, I didn't know how often she attended church,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> I covered both sides of the spectrum.  My point still stands - we
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> look into her heart so we can't know for certain if she's a "true
>>>>>> believer" or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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