[Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?

[Joe Campbell]

Gary,

If you think the abortion debate can't be settle by rational debate,  
then why on earth are you in favor of laws restricting access to  
abortions? Isn't that clearly a case of impossing one's personal  
religious beliefs on others? Why not leave issues like this up to  
adults to decide for themselves?

Joe Campbell

On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:20 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
wrote:

> Chas is right in one respect, this issue has been argued  
> exhaustively on
> this forum and I can't believe that giving it one more lap around  
> the block
> will produce anything of value.
>
> Suffice it to say that I don't believe that there is any kind of  
> strange
> dichotomy between having respect and reverence for innocent human  
> life while
> wanting to be rid of those who have proven beyond a doubt to be  
> capable of
> maliciously taking the lives of others for no better reason then  
> because
> they can for their own pleasure and gain.
>
> I can't help but go back to the Duncan analogy.
>
> g
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> From: <bear at moscow.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: <bear at moscow.com>; "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>;  
> "Moscow
> Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth  
> Catholic?
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>> So, the rights of a 30 week old shoe lace equate to that of a 40  
>> week old
>> fetus based on what you wrote?
>>
>> Ok, so then what would be the abortion problem?
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>>> I am hard pressed to think of a right I would extend to a 40 week  
>>> old
>>> person
>>> that I wouldn't be happy to afford a 30 week old "shoelace." What  
>>> rights
>>> did
>>> you have in mind
>>> that shouldn't apply?
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>> Cc: <bear at moscow.com>; "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>;  
>>> "Moscow
>>> Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth  
>>> Catholic?
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>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I see your point, but then the unborn child, or "pre-born" if you  
>>>> will
>>>> has
>>>> the same rights as the post born?
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>>>>> Isn't a pre-born child the very definition of innocence while a
>>>>> convicted
>>>>> murderer epitomizes its polar opposite? The notion of having no  
>>>>> regard
>>>>> for
>>>>> the former while extending all consideration to the later seems  
>>>>> screwed
>>>>> up
>>>>> and backward in the extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Murder the infant and lavish mercy on Joseph Duncan? This seems  
>>>>> just?
>>>>> Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> g
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>>>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth  
>>>>> Catholic?
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted and Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess i have to ask the question, "Does it make a difference  
>>>>>> one way
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> the other"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taking myself as an example, I was raised and am a practicing
>>>>>> Catholic.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do not believe in abortions at all, however, I do believe in  
>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>> choice does NOT equal pro-abortion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And just as an aside, have you ever noticed how the "anti- 
>>>>>> abortion"
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> are usually pro death penalty?  I think those of us that oppose  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> death
>>>>>> penalty (which I do), should just call it post-birth abortions  
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>> could get most of the anti-abortion folks on board!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne
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>>>>>>> Ted Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/09, *Paul Rumelhart* <godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    I used to speculate wildly about whether or not our former
>>>>>>>>    President was
>>>>>>>>    really a believer or if he was blatantly manipulating the
>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>    right through their own predilictions (or both).  What it  
>>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>>    down to
>>>>>>>>    is this: we can't look into their hearts.  Sotomayor may  
>>>>>>>> be the
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>    devout Catholic evar, but doesn't outwardly show it on a
>>>>>>>> day-to-day
>>>>>>>>    basis.  For all I know, she goes to church three times a  
>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>    get away from her family.  We just can't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you state "we just can't know" about Sotomayor's  
>>>>>>>> regularity
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> church attendance?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rereading that, I see I wasn't very clear.  I'm not saying "we  
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> can't know" about her regularity of church attendance.  I'm  
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> "we
>>>>>>> just can't know" what's in her heart, what she actually  
>>>>>>> believes deep
>>>>>>> down inside.  The most regular church attender might be a closet
>>>>>>> Luciferan Satanist, people who never go to church may be  
>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>> spiritual Christians.  We can speculate wildly about what they
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> believe.  We can even read what they claim to believe, but we'll
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> know exactly what they actually believe, because we can't get  
>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>> their heads or their hearts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the time I wrote it, I didn't know how often she attended  
>>>>>>> church,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> I covered both sides of the spectrum.  My point still stands -  
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> look into her heart so we can't know for certain if she's a  
>>>>>>> "true
>>>>>>> believer" or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
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