[Vision2020] Say What?
the lockshop
lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
Thu Jul 30 13:39:50 PDT 2009
Any way you elect to slice it, there is no validity to assertion that "...even the police found fault with Crowley."
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Sunil Ramalingam
Cc: vision 2020
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
Wrong.
The police are not the final word on this, and, expecting a civil suit, of course they stand behind Crowley. No surprise, and no legal significance.
More likely the prosecutor saw a BS case and decided not to spend any more time than it took to dismiss it.
Sunil
> From: lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:16:08 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
> "the charges were dropped, so apparently even the
> police found fault with Crowley.'
>
> Wrong. The police made it very clear that they stood behind Sgt. Crowley and
> that there was nothing wrong with the arrest. What is far more likely is
> that when the case was dropped on the desk of an over worked asst. P.A. he
> decided that his time would be more efficently used by dealing with more
> pressing matters and the state declined to prosecute.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>
> > The woman who reported the supposed break-in DID NOT say she thought
> > the two men where black; that was one if several inaccuracies in the
> > police report. Gates could have done better; we all agree with that
> > (even Obama) but the charges were dropped, so apparently even the
> > police found fault with Crowley.
> >
> > Do some research on the web, especially about the woman's recent
> > statement. She's been harrassed because of misconceptions like the
> > ones below.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My take on the whole matter:
> >>
> >> The lady that reported the burglary in the first place should be
> >> reminded that not everyone trying to get in a stuck door is a
> >> criminal.
> >> Would she have called the police if Professor Gates was white? Who
> >> knows.
> >>
> >> Jumping immediately on Sgt. Crowley was an ill-advised move on Gates
> >> part. He had to investigate the alleged burglary, he couldn't just
> >> say
> >> "this lady is probably wrong, I'll just let it go". As Gary
> >> mentioned,
> >> a polite response would have made this all not happen. He could then
> >> have crowed about it to his heart's content, about how someone thought
> >> he was a burglar because he's black, what's this world coming to,
> >> etc.,
> >> etc. Now, to me at least, he comes across like a bad-tempered old man
> >> with a too short fuse when it comes to his race. If he had handled it
> >> calmly, I would have been right behind him when he talked about the
> >> sorry state of race relations in this country still today. He should
> >> not have followed Sgt. Crowley outside and continued to verbally abuse
> >> him. Maybe Sgt. Crowley could have shown a little fortitude and just
> >> left, but I find it hard to find pity for Professor Gates in this
> >> situation.
> >>
> >> President Obama, as human as everyone else, sided with his friend. It
> >> seems obvious to me. In my opinion, he should not have said what he
> >> did
> >> in the first place, and should have come out with an actual apology
> >> afterwards. He should still do that. Saying you respect the other
> >> person and maybe you could have worded it better without saying you
> >> were
> >> wrong is not an apology. Otherwise, you're adding insult to injury.
> >>
> >> Does this mean I think President Obama is unfit for office? No. It
> >> does mean that I don't think he's incapable of doing wrong, and it
> >> means
> >> that I certainly don't think he's a "saint".
> >>
> >> This is all assuming, of course, that it was written up the way that
> >> it
> >> actually happened.
> >>
> >> As for the Sergeant entering Professor Gates' house, isn't this
> >> acceptable when he's investigating a burglary? Especially since he
> >> entered only the foyer, from what I remember.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> lfalen wrote:
> >>> That is right, he was. The officer was responding to a potential
> >>> burglary. Gates should have been appreciative. Instead he was
> >>> verbally abusive.
> >>> Roger
> >>> -----Original message-----
> >>> From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700
> >>> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Roger,
> >>>>
> >>>> But he was in HIS OWN HOUSE!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from
> >>>>> the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first
> >>>>> refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police
> >>>>> officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house after I
> >>>>> had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About 20
> >>>>> years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County
> >>>>> Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the
> >>>>> monthly
> >>>>> billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a
> >>>>> sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was shined
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands
> >>>>> up"
> >>>>> I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself telling
> >>>>> them what I was doing and they went on their way.
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700
> >>>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust
> >>>>>> me, I'm
> >>>>>> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I'm
> >>>>>> just here to note your errors.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no
> >>>>>> longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of taxpayer
> >>>>>> dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree"
> >>>>>> <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't
> >>>>>>> happen.
> >>>>>>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley
> >>>>>>> or the
> >>>>>>> Cambridge P.D.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates
> >>>>>>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left.
> >>>>>>> It was
> >>>>>>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with
> >>>>>>> demands
> >>>>>>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but,
> >>>>>>> there is
> >>>>>>> no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving
> >>>>>>> stupidly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> g
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
> >>>>>>> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020"
> >>>>>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you
> >>>>>>>> showed
> >>>>>>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave immediately,
> >>>>>>>> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race elements
> >>>>>>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry,
> >>>>>>>> which of
> >>>>>>>> course you failed to note.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not that any of this will convince you.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a
> >>>>>>>>> racist
> >>>>>>>>> as it's a
> >>>>>>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my
> >>>>>>>>> opinion.
> >>>>>>>>> I would,
> >>>>>>>>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front
> >>>>>>>>> of the
> >>>>>>>>> nation
> >>>>>>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with
> >>>>>>>>> regard to his
> >>>>>>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley and
> >>>>>>>>> yet went so
> >>>>>>>>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving
> >>>>>>>>> stupidly?" How
> >>>>>>>>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully
> >>>>>>>>> informed?
> >>>>>>>>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to
> >>>>>>>>> say
> >>>>>>>>> Cap and
> >>>>>>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that
> >>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>> category.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> g
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> over and
> >>>>>>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> white
> >>>>>>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he
> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't like
> >>>>>>>>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I
> >>>>>>>>>> believe, a
> >>>>>>>>>> racist.''
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen
> >>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist
> >>>>>>>>>> expects it
> >>>>>>>>>> to change
> >>>>>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Unknown
> >>>>>>>>>>
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