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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Any way you elect to slice it, there is no validity to
assertion that "...even the police found fault with Crowley."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wrong.<BR><BR>The police are not the final word on this, and,
expecting a civil suit, of course they stand behind Crowley. No surprise, and
no legal significance.<BR><BR>More likely the prosecutor saw a BS case and
decided not to spend any more time than it took to dismiss
it.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A><BR>> To:
<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>> Date: Thu,
30 Jul 2009 12:16:08 -0700<BR>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<BR>> <BR>> "the charges were dropped, so
apparently even the<BR>> police found fault with Crowley.'<BR>> <BR>>
Wrong. The police made it very clear that they stood behind Sgt. Crowley and
<BR>> that there was nothing wrong with the arrest. What is far more likely
is <BR>> that when the case was dropped on the desk of an over worked asst.
P.A. he <BR>> decided that his time would be more efficently used by
dealing with more <BR>> pressing matters and the state declined to
prosecute.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>> To: "Paul
Rumelhart" <godshatter@yahoo.com><BR>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:31
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >
The woman who reported the supposed break-in DID NOT say she thought<BR>>
> the two men where black; that was one if several inaccuracies in
the<BR>> > police report. Gates could have done better; we all agree
with that<BR>> > (even Obama) but the charges were dropped, so
apparently even the<BR>> > police found fault with Crowley.<BR>>
><BR>> > Do some research on the web, especially about the woman's
recent<BR>> > statement. She's been harrassed because of misconceptions
like the<BR>> > ones below.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sent from my
iPhone<BR>> ><BR>> > On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Paul Rumelhart
<godshatter@yahoo.com><BR>> > wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >>
My take on the whole matter:<BR>> >><BR>> >> The lady that
reported the burglary in the first place should be<BR>> >> reminded
that not everyone trying to get in a stuck door is a<BR>> >>
criminal.<BR>> >> Would she have called the police if Professor Gates
was white? Who<BR>> >> knows.<BR>> >><BR>> >>
Jumping immediately on Sgt. Crowley was an ill-advised move on Gates<BR>>
>> part. He had to investigate the alleged burglary, he couldn't
just<BR>> >> say<BR>> >> "this lady is probably wrong, I'll
just let it go". As Gary<BR>> >> mentioned,<BR>> >> a polite
response would have made this all not happen. He could then<BR>> >>
have crowed about it to his heart's content, about how someone thought<BR>>
>> he was a burglar because he's black, what's this world coming
to,<BR>> >> etc.,<BR>> >> etc. Now, to me at least, he comes
across like a bad-tempered old man<BR>> >> with a too short fuse when
it comes to his race. If he had handled it<BR>> >> calmly, I would
have been right behind him when he talked about the<BR>> >> sorry
state of race relations in this country still today. He should<BR>>
>> not have followed Sgt. Crowley outside and continued to verbally
abuse<BR>> >> him. Maybe Sgt. Crowley could have shown a little
fortitude and just<BR>> >> left, but I find it hard to find pity for
Professor Gates in this<BR>> >> situation.<BR>> >><BR>>
>> President Obama, as human as everyone else, sided with his friend.
It<BR>> >> seems obvious to me. In my opinion, he should not have
said what he<BR>> >> did<BR>> >> in the first place, and
should have come out with an actual apology<BR>> >> afterwards. He
should still do that. Saying you respect the other<BR>> >> person and
maybe you could have worded it better without saying you<BR>> >>
were<BR>> >> wrong is not an apology. Otherwise, you're adding insult
to injury.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Does this mean I think President
Obama is unfit for office? No. It<BR>> >> does mean that I don't
think he's incapable of doing wrong, and it<BR>> >> means<BR>>
>> that I certainly don't think he's a "saint".<BR>> >><BR>>
>> This is all assuming, of course, that it was written up the way
that<BR>> >> it<BR>> >> actually happened.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> As for the Sergeant entering Professor Gates' house,
isn't this<BR>> >> acceptable when he's investigating a burglary?
Especially since he<BR>> >> entered only the foyer, from what I
remember.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Paul<BR>> >><BR>>
>> lfalen wrote:<BR>> >>> That is right, he was. The officer
was responding to a potential<BR>> >>> burglary. Gates should have
been appreciative. Instead he was<BR>> >>> verbally
abusive.<BR>> >>> Roger<BR>> >>> -----Original
message-----<BR>> >>> From: Wayne Price bear@moscow.com<BR>>
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700<BR>> >>> To:
lfalen lfalen@turbonet.com<BR>> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say
What?<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>>>
Roger,<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> But he was in HIS OWN
HOUSE!<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> On Jul 29,
2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:<BR>> >>>><BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>>> I think thar you are missing the
point. Gate was belligerent from<BR>> >>>>> the git go
before he finally identified himself. He at first<BR>> >>>>>
refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police<BR>>
>>>>> officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my
house after I<BR>> >>>>> had locked myself out I would thank
him for doing his job. About 20<BR>> >>>>> years ago when I
was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County<BR>> >>>>>
Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the<BR>>
>>>>> monthly<BR>> >>>>> billings. I had
turned off the lights and went to sleep in a<BR>> >>>>>
sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was shined<BR>>
>>>>> in<BR>> >>>>> the window. A bull horn
said " come out of there with your hands<BR>> >>>>>
up"<BR>> >>>>> I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I
identified myself telling<BR>> >>>>> them what I was doing
and they went on their way.<BR>> >>>>> Roger<BR>>
>>>>><BR>> >>>>> -----Original
message-----<BR>> >>>>> From: Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe@gmail.com<BR>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009
07:41:30 -0700<BR>> >>>>> To: "g. crabtree"
jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Say What?<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>><BR>>
>>>>>> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources
anyway! Trust<BR>> >>>>>> me, I'm<BR>>
>>>>>> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of
anything. I'm<BR>> >>>>>> just here to note your
errors.<BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> Of
course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once<BR>>
>>>>>> the<BR>> >>>>>> ID was shown,
the officer should have left. His services were no<BR>>
>>>>>> longer needed. Everything after that point was a
waste of taxpayer<BR>> >>>>>> dollars, something you
usually care a lot about -- though it is<BR>> >>>>>>
not<BR>> >>>>>> surprising you ignore it when it suits
you. That is your MO.<BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at
10:25 AM, "g. crabtree"<BR>> >>>>>>
<jampot@roadrunner.com><BR>> >>>>>> wrote:<BR>>
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that
it didn't<BR>> >>>>>>> happen.<BR>>
>>>>>>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either
Sgt. Crowley<BR>> >>>>>>> or the<BR>>
>>>>>>> Cambridge P.D.<BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> Having
actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates<BR>>
>>>>>>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer
would have left.<BR>> >>>>>>> It was<BR>>
>>>>>>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt
Crowley with<BR>> >>>>>>> demands<BR>>
>>>>>>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably
not but,<BR>> >>>>>>> there is<BR>>
>>>>>>> no question but what the professor was the one
that was behaving<BR>> >>>>>>> stupidly.<BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> g<BR>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell"
<BR>> >>>>>>> <philosopher.joe@gmail.com<BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> To: "g.
crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><BR>> >>>>>>>
Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <BR>>
>>>>>>> <vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> Sent:
Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM<BR>> >>>>>>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> If someone came to your house thinking you
broke in and you<BR>> >>>>>>>> showed<BR>>
>>>>>>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't
leave immediately,<BR>> >>>>>>>> I'd say he acted
stupidly -- even if you took the race elements<BR>>
>>>>>>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said
he was sorry,<BR>> >>>>>>>> which of<BR>>
>>>>>>>> course you failed to note.<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> Not
that any of this will convince you.<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> Sent
from my iPhone<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree"
<jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>> >>>>>>>>
><BR>> >>>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>>>
I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> racist<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> as it's a<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to
casually, in my<BR>> >>>>>>>>> opinion.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> I would,<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> however, like to know how you explain his
standing in front<BR>> >>>>>>>>> of the<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> nation<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know
the whole story with<BR>> >>>>>>>>> regard to
his<BR>> >>>>>>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge
police sergeant James Crowley and<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
yet went so<BR>> >>>>>>>>> far as to
characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> stupidly?" How<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> many other decisions does the man reach
without being fully<BR>> >>>>>>>>>
informed?<BR>> >>>>>>>>> Judging from other
remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> say<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Cap and<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall
squarely into that<BR>> >>>>>>>>> same<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> category.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> g<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen"
<thansen@moscow.com><BR>> >>>>>>>>> To:
"Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41
AM<BR>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say
What?<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed
himself as a guy, over<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>
and<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> over and<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated
hatred for white people or<BR>> >>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> white<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm
not saying that he<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't
like<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> white people. I'm saying
he has a problem. This guy is, I<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> believe, a<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> racist.''<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July
28, 2009)<BR>> >>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>
-----------------------------------------------<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the
wind, the Optimist<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> expects
it<BR>> >>>>>>>>>> to change<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his
sails."<BR>> >>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Unknown<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>
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