[Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Wed Jul 15 18:26:10 PDT 2009
Well then, my question is the same as the one I asked Tom. Why the concern about their veteran status? Why is that status relevant to this discussion? (For the record, I have written nothing at all on the Viz pro or con the smoking ban. I am highly allergic to smoke, so I don't go to bars that allow smoking. I think the only thing I miss because of my decision is that the non-smoking bars don't have entertainment, but I can live with that. )
Sue H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shelley Roderick
To: Tom Hansen ; Sue Hovey
Cc: v2020
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
Sue,
It is all about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is called freedom. That is what our Veterans have fought and died for.
These are all of our rights. We don't want to see a handful of people (regardless of Veteran status) tamper with our rights for which 20 generations have fought to preserve.
Phil Roderick
-------Original Message-------
From: Sue Hovey
Date: 7/15/2009 11:06:43 AM
To: Tom Hansen; Shelley Roderick
Cc: v2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
Are you saying that one has to be a veteran to make solid decisions? Or if
one is not a veteran and makes a decision with which you do not agree, their
decision is somehow less than valid because of their lack of veteran status?
Sue H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "Shelley Roderick" <cjsnightclub at cableone.net>
Cc: "v2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
Just a simple question that deserves a simple, yet civil, answer like
"yes" or "no".
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
> Tom - Why don't you call them and ask?
>
> For those of you that wish to contact Moscow city council via email, here
> is
> how you can email all council members directly with only one email.
>
> 1) Go to: www.moscow.id.us/
> 2) Click on the blue "council" tab.
> 3) Click on "meet the council."
> 4) Click on "Email all council members" at the bottom of the page.
> 5) To be valid, include your full name and address for the record.
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Tom Hansen
> Date: 7/14/2009 3:02:03 PM
> To: bear at moscow.com
> Cc: v2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An open letter to Moscow city council
>
> Was this email really sent to the city council?
>
> The only address on it is Vision 2020.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscoa, Idaho
>
>> Visionaries,
>>
>>
>> I agree with Phil's letter below, and am hoping the listees can give me
>> some information in regards to it.
>>
>> How many members of the current administration are veterans?
>>
>>
>> W
>>
>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
>>>
>>> ATTENTION: YOU ARE ENTERING A SMOKE FILLED ENVIRONMENT AND WILL BE
>>> SUBJECT
>>> TO SECOND HAND SMOKE! ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK! THIS ESTABLISHMENT COULD
>>> BE
>>> HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!
>>>
>>> Twenty generations have sacrificed loved ones to fight for the
>>> freedoms
>>> for
>>> which we are able to enjoy today. It is very sad to me when a small
>>> handful
>>> of people representing our city can take the blood that was shed and
>>> ignore
>>> the sacrifices made to insure our right to, "life, liberty and
>>> happiness."
>>>
>>> I have flown an American flag on my building since I bought it because
>>> I
>>> respect the blood, sweat and tears that allow me to do so. The city
>>> council
>>> should also respect and honor the same.
>>>
>>> The city should agree with the Federal Government that when a person
>>> turns
>>> the age of 21, they have a mental capacity to make sound decisions and
>>> will
>>> be held responsible for those decisions in a court of law. This
>>> includes
>>> their health. The city should not impose their "personal guidance" to
>>> those
>>> who have just obtained the privilege of choice. They do not need to
>>> baby
>>> sit
>>> However, they should be babysitting where smoking is allowed. Where
>>> children walk our sidewalks and play in city parks.
>>>
>>> In regards to "employee health," No one is forced to work in a smoked
>>> filled
>>> environment. They came looking for a job. If they find it is not for
>>> them,
>>> they have the right of freedom to work elsewhere. The customer has a
>>> right
>>> to walk in my doors, or not. They even have the right to leave once
>>> inside.
>>> Liberty of choice and free will granted to us from the blood of our
>>> forefathers.
>>>
>>> The first thing I see when I walk into city hall is a United States
>>> flag.
>>> The last thing I see when I leave city hall is a United States flag.
>>> Let's
>>> not loose what that flag stands for.
>>>
>>> If the city agrees to this smoking ban I would like to suggest they
>>> also
>>> consider an ordinance stopping the farmers from farming as it blows
>>> dust
>>> that I breathe that causes my asthma to flare up. Talk about a health
>>> issue!
>>> How about bringing it up to vote when approximately 60% of Moscow's
>>> citizens
>>> are back in town? Let the citizens of Moscow decide. Give them the
>>> opportunity to voice an opinion on their own freedoms and liberties.
>>> Let
>>> the
>>> majority decide. Not a handful.
>>>
>>> 1/3 of the bars in Moscow are non-smoking by choice. The city should
>>> not
>>> interfere with the liberties of other bars and private clubs.
>>>
>>> You ask why other bar owners are not speaking up? How about listening
>>> to
>>> the
>>> ones that are. I believe in fighting for the rights and liberties of
>>> my
>>> 24
>>> employees and thousands of customers that choose to walk through my
>>> doors.
>>> They count on me.
>>>
>>> Bill Parks, who introduced this ordinance states, "it is a work place,
>>> health issue. The only place we allow really dangerous things is in
>>> second
>>> hand smoke." Well, how about coal mines? Gas refineries? Plastic
>>> manufacturers? Paint fumes? As I understand, his company manufactures
>>> and
>>> builds thing in Mexico. He pays his workers in pesos. Why isn't Moscow
>>> good
>>> enough for him to employ and manufacture his wares here? Could it be
>>> government enforced workman's comp? Minimum wage? Social Security
>>> taxes?
>>> Not
>>> to forget the OSHA laws which are not enforced in Mexico? Why Bill
>>> Parks
>>> do
>>> you choose to have your companies in Mexico? I can tell you why I
>>> choose
>>> to
>>> have mine in Moscow, Idaho.
>>>
>>> The chains of slavery on business were cut in 1776. Let's not put them
>>> back
>>> on.
>>>
>>> Let freedom ring.
>>>
>>> Phil Roderick
>>>
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>
> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> change
> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>
> - Unknown
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