[Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
Dave
tiedye at turbonet.com
Fri Jan 30 19:11:13 PST 2009
Wow! I agree with Donovan. Now I'm scared.
Dave
Donovan Arnold wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I disagree that the government cannot impose rules on organizations
> within its boarders, especially ones that deal with children, for
> three major reasons.
>
> First, it is an organization that is tax exempt and uses taxpayer
> dollars. It is unfair to force people to pay for an organization that
> discriminates against them and/or their children.
>
> Second, young men are very impressionable and are often times
> struggling with their sexual identities. Teaching children they are
> lesser persons because of their sexual feelings can lead to
> depression, mental illness, and even suicide.
>
> Finally, it teaches young men that discrimination against homosexuals
> is alright. This is going to make it difficult for them to get along
> with others in the work place, social settings, and it is going to
> make the lives of men and women that have to work with them more
> difficult.
>
> If this was an organization of adults, I might agree with you Roger,
> provided we took away all tax support. But we are dealing with
> children and teens, and that changes the rules as to what society can
> allow and not allow to happen to the children that are included and
> excluded from societal norms and the reasons why they are excluded and
> included.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/30/09, lfalen /<lfalen at turbonet.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>,
> "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 10:41 AM
>
> I was never in the Boy Scouts. I was raised to far away from civilization for
> that. However I did spend practically all of my time outside. I think that the
> Boy Scots is a good organization and my son was in it. I don't care whether
> they are secular or non secular. I believe that as a private organization they
> have the right to set what ever requirements that they want. People that do not
> like it do not have to join. It is wrong for the government to try and impose
> rules on them.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:38:42 -0800
> To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com, Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > I think too, that the Scouts are in general a great learning tool for many
> young men. I also agree that teaching young men to discriminate by banning
> youths that may be gay or questioning their sexuality is wrong. I think they
> need to not be an organization about sex or sexual orientation, and instead be
> an organization that focuses on nature and community service, as they have
> always been.
> >
> > I was a scout for about two years. I didn't like it as much as Indian
> Guides. I thought Indian Guides was less formal and more creative. The problem
> was there was not enough kids to form a decent group in local enough area, so
> I moved in the Boy Scouts. It was fun, but too formal, in my opinion.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
> > To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:34 PM
> >
> > I don't want get controversial but the anti-gay comments have hurt,
> > too. I was a scout. And odidnt mind the uniforms! Both my dad and
> > brother were eagle scouts.
> >
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:52, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I really like what the CiNN network is all about-getting kids
> into
> > >> nature. But, speaking as a former professional Scout
> coordinator, it
> > >> seems a bit redundant. We've had Girl and Boy Scouts for
> almost
> > 100
> > >> years doing just this. The program is in place, the support
> network
> > >> has already been built, 100s of thousands of kids are
> participating
> > >> with the assistance of numerous volunteers, and many great camps
> > >> exist. Why not support and grow what we already have?
> > >
> > > When I was a kid, my parents tried to involve me in Scouts many
> times,
> > > but I hated it. I disliked then, and I dislike now, anything
> > > resembling merit badges. If something is worth doing, it is worth
> > > doing for itself, and the ribbons and medals are condescending.
> > > Further, most of the merit-badge-earning activities I found pointless
> > > and tedious.
> > >
> > > I dislike that the Boy Scouts are not entirely secular, although the
> > > Girl Scouts gets this right. I also think that the uniforms should
> > > go. I know a couple of Boy Scouts, and they all look embarrassed by
> > > the uniforms.
> > >
> > > Anyway, those are my objections to Scouting. Your mileage may vary
> > > (and probably will).
> >
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