[Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!

[Joe Campbell]

I agree. But if someone wants to know why there are fewer scouts now  
than there were when I was a boy, some reasons have been given. Times  
change and if you want to keep up you have to change with them.

Joe Campbell

On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:41 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> I was never in the Boy Scouts. I was raised to far away from  
> civilization for that. However I did spend practically all of my  
> time outside. I think that the Boy Scots is a good organization and  
> my son was in it. I don't care whether they are secular or non  
> secular. I believe that as a private organization they have the  
> right to set what ever requirements that they want. People that do  
> not like it do not have to join. It is wrong for the government to  
> try and impose rules on them.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:38:42 -0800
> To: Chasuk chasuk at gmail.com,  Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I think too, that the Scouts are in general a great learning tool  
>> for many young men. I also agree that teaching young men to  
>> discriminate by banning youths that may be gay or questioning their  
>> sexuality is wrong. I think they need to not be an organization  
>> about sex or sexual orientation, and instead be an organization  
>> that focuses on nature and community service, as they have always  
>> been.
>>
>> I was a scout for about two years. I didn't like it as much as  
>> Indian Guides. I thought Indian Guides was less formal and more  
>> creative. The problem was there was not enough kids to form a  
>> decent group in local enough area, so I moved in the Boy Scouts. It  
>> was fun, but too formal, in my opinion.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
>> To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 2:34 PM
>>
>> I don't want get controversial but the anti-gay comments have hurt,
>> too. I was a scout. And odidnt mind the uniforms! Both my dad and
>> brother were eagle scouts.
>>
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:52, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really like what the CiNN network is all about-getting kids into
>>>> nature.  But, speaking as a former professional Scout  
>>>> coordinator, it
>>>> seems a bit redundant.  We've had Girl and Boy Scouts for almost
>> 100
>>>> years doing just this.  The program is in place, the support  
>>>> network
>>>> has already been built, 100s of thousands of kids are participating
>>>> with the assistance of numerous volunteers, and many great camps
>>>> exist.  Why not support and grow what we already have?
>>>
>>> When I was a kid, my parents tried to involve me in Scouts many  
>>> times,
>>> but I hated it.  I disliked then, and I dislike now, anything
>>> resembling merit badges.  If something is worth doing, it is worth
>>> doing for itself, and the ribbons and medals are condescending.
>>> Further, most of the merit-badge-earning activities I found  
>>> pointless
>>> and tedious.
>>>
>>> I dislike that the Boy Scouts are not entirely secular, although the
>>> Girl Scouts gets this right.  I also think that the uniforms should
>>> go.  I know a couple of Boy Scouts, and they all look embarrassed by
>>> the uniforms.
>>>
>>> Anyway, those are my objections to Scouting.  Your mileage may vary
>>> (and probably will).
>>
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