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[Darrell Keim]

For folks with those concerns, there are several similar programs:
Campfire
Spiral Scouts: http://www.spiralscouts.org/

Campfire is also a well developed program, with lots of support
(though I like the Scout program a bit more-they are both good)
Spiral Scouts looks like a fairly new development...

2009/1/29 Warren Hayman <whayman at roadrunner.com>:
> Not only anti-gay, but also anti-atheist. I cannot support such positions.
> And yes, I too was a Scout before I knew better. Then again, I was also an
> altar boy.
>
> Warren Hayman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: [Spam 5.86] BE OUTSIDE!
>
>
>>I don't want get controversial but the anti-gay comments have hurt,
>> too. I was a scout. And odidnt mind the uniforms! Both my dad and
>> brother were eagle scouts.
>>
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:52, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really like what the CiNN network is all about-getting kids into
>>>> nature.  But, speaking as a former professional Scout coordinator, it
>>>> seems a bit redundant.  We've had Girl and Boy Scouts for almost 100
>>>> years doing just this.  The program is in place, the support network
>>>> has already been built, 100s of thousands of kids are participating
>>>> with the assistance of numerous volunteers, and many great camps
>>>> exist.  Why not support and grow what we already have?
>>>
>>> When I was a kid, my parents tried to involve me in Scouts many times,
>>> but I hated it.  I disliked then, and I dislike now, anything
>>> resembling merit badges.  If something is worth doing, it is worth
>>> doing for itself, and the ribbons and medals are condescending.
>>> Further, most of the merit-badge-earning activities I found pointless
>>> and tedious.
>>>
>>> I dislike that the Boy Scouts are not entirely secular, although the
>>> Girl Scouts gets this right.  I also think that the uniforms should
>>> go.  I know a couple of Boy Scouts, and they all look embarrassed by
>>> the uniforms.
>>>
>>> Anyway, those are my objections to Scouting.  Your mileage may vary
>>> (and probably will).
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