[Vision2020] Costs for UI Email/Lawsuit

[Joe Campbell]

Donovan,

Just to note one instance, most of the computers in the philosophy  
department at WSU - as is our travel and most TA stipends, lecture  
series, etc. - comes from donations received from outside sources,  
donations made to the department. As Chas noted there are regulations  
about use and I don't want to deny that. I just pointing out that you  
have NO idea what you are talking about.

Joe Campbell

On Jan 22, 2009, at 1:49 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com 
 > wrote:

> Chas,
>
> You are only seeing a small part of the story. The departments are  
> getting the money they are paying to ITS through AS fees. Over 1/2  
> of your student fees go to what is Matriculation fees. That money is  
> split up amongst the departments to run operations, support staff,  
> lighting, maintenance, and equipment, including computers. Each  
> building, department, college, is billed differently, and managed  
> differently. They also all pay an administrative tax, or fee, you  
> will hear administrators moaning about this fee.
>
> The departments don't earn most monies, they get it from somewhere.  
> Those places are the State government, student fees, donations,  
> grants, and private research.
>
> What you are not seeing is the departments collecting the money from  
> the student fees, which then go to pay the ITS. You are only seeing  
> the transaction between ITS and the department.
>
> If the UI didn't bill this way, each department would tap out all of  
> ITS, maintenance, power, administrative, and other shared resources  
> at UI.
>
> If you don't understand, go talk to someone in Budget and Management  
> about Matriculation Fees, and you will learn all about it. I had to  
> in ASUI to know where our money was going and what it did if we  
> didn't approve things.
>
> Also take a look at computers in computer labs, on the bottom of the  
> corner there is an ASUI sticker. Not all of them get it, but enough  
> to where you know who is paying for them.
>
> And in any case, all the computers run on a system paid for with  
> student fees and powered by fees the students pay. Your department  
> computer would just be a plastic box without AS fees, even if it has  
> one without them.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Costs for UI Email/Lawsuit
> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, "<vision2020 at moscow.com 
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:39 PM
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:04, Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > There are computers on campus that are not owned by students. But  
> they are
> > maintained by ASUI dollars. The Internet systems, the equipment, the
> power,
> > and even the people that hook them up are paid for by ASUI dollars.
>
> Each department, and ultimately each college, pays for their own
> computers, and for maintenance on those machines.  Some of the
> departments order their own machines, and have in-house tech support.
> However, most buy their machines through ITS, and then contract
> maintenance through ITS.  The machines purchased and the maintenance
> performed -- including hooking them up -- are billed by ITS directly
> to the relevant department.
>
> This isn't hearsay.  I was until quite recently an ITS employee who
> ordered, billed, assembled, configured, installed, and maintained
> systems for departments all over campus.  ASUI had nothing to do with
> it.
>
> Chas
>
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