[Vision2020] Costs for UI Email/Lawsuit

[Donovan Arnold]

Joe,
 
You obviously don't even know what we are talking about. We aren't talking about WSU.
 
UI and WSU are funded and operated totally differently. So you don't know what you are talking about. 
 
You have spend no time working on the University of Idaho Budget and student fees. I spent years doing it. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Costs for UI Email/Lawsuit
To: "donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "<vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:44 AM



Donovan,


Just to note one instance, most of the computers in the philosophy department at WSU - as is our travel and most TA stipends, lecture series, etc. - comes from donations received from outside sources, donations made to the department. As Chas noted there are regulations about use and I don't want to deny that. I just pointing out that you have NO idea what you are talking about. 

Joe Campbell

On Jan 22, 2009, at 1:49 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:









Chas,
 
You are only seeing a small part of the story. The departments are getting the money they are paying to ITS through AS fees. Over 1/2 of your student fees go to what is Matriculation fees. That money is split up amongst the departments to run operations, support staff, lighting, maintenance, and equipment, including computers. Each building, department, college, is billed differently, and managed differently. They also all pay an administrative tax, or fee, you will hear administrators moaning about this fee. 
 
The departments don't earn most monies, they get it from somewhere. Those places are the State government, student fees, donations, grants, and private research. 
 
What you are not seeing is the departments collecting the money from the student fees, which then go to pay the ITS. You are only seeing the transaction between ITS and the department. 
 
If the UI didn't bill this way, each department would tap out all of ITS, maintenance, power, administrative, and other shared resources at UI.
 
If you don't understand, go talk to someone in Budget and Management about Matriculation Fees, and you will learn all about it. I had to in ASUI to know where our money was going and what it did if we didn't approve things. 
 
Also take a look at computers in computer labs, on the bottom of the corner there is an ASUI sticker. Not all of them get it, but enough to where you know who is paying for them. 
 
And in any case, all the computers run on a system paid for with student fees and powered by fees the students pay. Your department computer would just be a plastic box without AS fees, even if it has one without them. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan
 
--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Costs for UI Email/Lawsuit
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, "<vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:39 PM

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:04, Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> There are computers on campus that are not owned by students. But they are
> maintained by ASUI dollars. The Internet systems, the equipment, the
power,
> and even the people that hook them up are paid for by ASUI dollars.

Each department, and ultimately each college, pays for their own
computers, and for maintenance on those machines.  Some of the
departments order their own machines, and have in-house tech support.
However, most buy their machines through ITS, and then contract
maintenance through ITS.  The machines purchased and the maintenance
performed -- including hooking them up -- are billed by ITS directly
to the relevant department.

This isn't hearsay.  I was until quite recently an ITS employee who
ordered, billed, assembled, configured, installed, and maintained
systems for departments all over campus.  ASUI had nothing to do with
it.

Chas

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