[Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I

mark seman fcs at moscow.com
Sat Jan 17 01:35:42 PST 2009


Donovan,
You're right, Community's do often loose a lot of matter over time.
While most of us are aware of its additions, as time passes there is
an inverse awareness of its losses.  As much as Historical Society's
try to preserve the past, they have only the relics, photos and
fossils that remain.  As individuals trying to preserve the past we
have our memories.  We have our experiences of the past.  I cherish
those memories brought on by a photo, a song, a scent, a word, or a
name.  Maybe some of our memories can be sustained or rekindled
close-to reality, but most are to remain ephemeral.  But such is
Life...and our raison d'être is to make our own memories [experiences]
and select from the opportunities they bring us.  It is an
individual's choice to select one's path, no matter what of the past.
You can make your future fun with new experiences - at least I think
I'm doing it (my memories will tell.)

Best reagrds to you too,
Mark


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  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:50 AM
  To: Carl Westberg; vision2020 at moscow.com; mark seman
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I


        When I was kid, we went to University Four, The Bowling Ally,
and the Roller Skating Rink. We also visited many of the locally owned
shops in the Palouse Mall, and ate the Pantry and Nobby Inn. Sadly, I
don't think any of that is still around. In High School me and my
friends use to ditch class, sneak on the back bumper of a particular
UPS truck (unbeknown or uncaring driver) that went down the 6Th St.
Hill to UI where we jumped off and went into the Recreation Center in
the basement of the SUB. After school was suppose to be out, we went
to my friend Jerry's place, which was in Married Student Housing. It
was fun. It is sad all of those fun places are no longer in Moscow.

        Best Regards,

        Donovan

        --- On Fri, 1/16/09, mark seman <baukunst at moscow.com> wrote:

          From: mark seman <baukunst at moscow.com>
          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U
of I
          To: "Carl Westberg" <idahovandal1 at live.com>,
vision2020 at moscow.com
          Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 11:44 PM


          Our [Heather's & my] younger years were filled with free
things for us to do with our son - Idler's Rest (tigers & bears in the
woods), UI Arboretum (treasure hunting for golf balls), White Ave.
(old land fill treasures), UI Grounds & Buildings (exhibits &
architecture, tubing), City parks (fields, courts, swings & slides),
Fair grounds, Hordeman's (sounds of redwing blackbirds, herons),
Paradise Creek, our yard, MJHS track, Courthouse (displays), City Hall
(art & displays), streets (biking & walking), UI golf course (walking
& golfing), tennis courts, Library (public & UI), Moscow Mt., UI farm,
galleries, UI Borah theater, Micro Movie House,  ...

          Here's a pic of Carl's cousin (w/ friend) on AZ rocks...hey,
there's free stuff here too, even for Moscovites.

          Mark

          ps - the UI admin/academic system was lousy for
non-traditional students back then too.



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            -----Original Message-----
            From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
            Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:12 PM
            To: vision2020 at moscow.com
            Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was
U of I


            When I was a kid growing up in Moscow, my friends and I
would head out to a playground with a couple of baseballs, a couple of
bats, and our mitts, and we were happier than skunks eating bumblebees
all day long.  I do miss the Bowlerama, though.   Carl Westberg Jr.

            > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; keim153 at gmail.com;
jennifer at inlandradio.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
            > From: thansen at moscow.com
            > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:58:38 +0000
            > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities
(was U of I
            >
            > And how about BASEBALL??
            >
            > You know? Baseball fields and such.
            >
            > (Hmmm. Where have I heard this topic brought up before?)
            >
            > Tom Hansen
            > Moscow, Idaho
            >
            > >
            > > Ren Faire and Rendezvous, sand-volleyball courts and a
dog park!
            > >
            > > Keely
            > > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0800
            > > > From: keim153 at gmail.com
            > > > To: jennifer at inlandradio.com
            > > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com;
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
            > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities
(was U of I
            > Program
            > > Cuts)
            > > >
            > > > Donovan:
            > > >
            > > > Have you ever lived anywhere outside of Moscow?
Especially in a
            > > > similarly sized community? I have, several different
places in fact,
            > > > and I'm willing to bet you have not. For the size
town it is, Moscow
            > > > has an impressive list of things for families to do.
And, despite
            > > > your incessant carping, a decent range of salaries,
too. The key is
            > > > that you have to compare apples to apples.
            > > >
            > > > Instead of listing what you think the town doesn't
have, maybe you
            > > > should try being positive for a change. Perhaps the
listserv will
            > > > help you come up with a list of things to do in
town. I'll start:
            > > > Great restaurants
            > > > Nice parks
            > > > Several art galleries
            > > > What can you add, V2020?
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > From: Donovan Arnold
[mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
            > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:30 AM
            > > > > To: 'vision 2020'; Jennifer Ingalls
            > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly
Activities (was U of I
            > Progra> m
            > > > > Cuts)
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Jennifer,
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I liked doing all those things too as a child in
Moscow. But lets
            > face
            > > it,
            > > > > there is only so some many times you can visit the
McConnell Mansion
            > be> fore
            > > > > it no longer entertaining to a child. And camping
doesn't count
            > because> you
            > > > > have to leave Moscow to go do it.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > If you are an outdoors type of person, there are
lots of things to
            > do> in
            > > > > North Idaho. But for many people that are not, it
leaves something
            > to> be
            > > > > desired.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > One of the biggest complaints I heard from
students was that there
            > was
            > > > > nothing to do in Moscow, and why so many people
supported the Student
            > > > > Recreation Building, which is more like a
glorified and over priced
            > I> daho
            > > > > Athletic Club with a climbing wall then a
recreation center for
            > differe> nt
            > > > > kinds of recreational activities.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I do not think I have found a mother at UI that
thought Moscow's
            > daycar> e was
            > > > > inexpensive. There is a huge waiting list too.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > What few things there are to do in Moscow, also
cost a lot of
            > money> , which
            > > > > is hard to afford when you have no money, because
there are no jobs
            > t> hat pay
            > > > > above what you need to scrape by.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > There is less to do in Moscow now then was when my
Mother was child
            > in
            > > > > Moscow.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > We have no bowling alley. We have no roller
skating ring. We have no
            > IM> ax
            > > > > Theater. We have fewer quality restaurants. We
have no high tech
            > gaming
            > > > > center. We have no science discovery park, we have
no big museums.
            > No> race
            > > > > cars. No theme parks, no big fancy hangouts, we
don't even really
            > h> ave a
            > > > > year round swimming pool,
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > The best thing Moscow has for entertainment is the
Library. Which is
            > a
            > > great
            > > > > library, but hardly the place that comes to mind
when we want to
            > thin> k about
            > > > > entertainment.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Yes, you can always THINK of something to do in
Moscow, but that
            > is> the
            > > > > problem, you really have to THINK, to find
something to do. Its
            > Mid> night in
            > > > > Moscow, besides the bars and the Jack N the Crack
drive-thru, what
            > > is open?
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Best Regards,
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Donovan
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Jennifer Ingalls
<jennifer at inlandradio.com>
            > wr> ote:
            > > > >
            > > > > From: Jennifer Ingalls <jennifer at inlandradio.com>
            > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities
(was U of I Program
            > Cu> ts)
            > > > > To: "'vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
            > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 1:27 PM
            > > > >
            > > > > I don't necessarily want to get into the argument
about diversity in
            > Mo> scow
            > > > > or at UI, but I do take some issue with Donovan's
statement, "Not
            > t> o mention
            > > > > the lack of affordable child care, or family fun
activities."
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I grew up in Moscow and though my family had more
money than families
            > w> here
            > > > > a student is the primary financier of the
household, we were not at
            > a> loss
            > > > > for family-friendly free activities (unless we
were willfully bored).
            > T> his
            > > > > is not to say that we can't do better as a
community at providing
            > free
            > > > > and/or inexpensive activities, but I think many of
us forget those
            > th> ings
            > > > > that are available to us. For example,
I –regretfully—cannot
            > reme> mber the
            > > > > last time I went to the McConnell Mansion or
picked up a walking tour
            > g> uide
            > > > > of the towns history and hoofed it through Fort
Russell (two
            > activities> that
            > > > > occupied Spring and Summer days of my youth). The
library (which I
            > reme> mber
            > > > > as only being the old part of the building) was
cool in the Summer
            > and
            > > warm
            > > > > in the Winter. Organizations like Campfire, Boy
Scouts, Girl
            > Scouts> and
            > > > > local churches provided the three of us a lot of
fun and educational
            > > > > activities (both our family's church of choice and
the churches or
            > reli> gious
            > > > > organizations of friends). My mom used to take us
to Good Sam to
            > distri> bute
            > > > > our wares after craft days at the house. We'd ride
bikes out to
            > Robinso> n
            > > > > Lake Park , "fish" in Hordeman's pond, or take
advantage of all the
            > > > > demonstrations, concerts and educational lectures
the University
            > offe> red.
            > > > > There were a lot of things to do!
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > I'll grant that I was a nerdy kid (still am). I,
too, would love
            > to> see more
            > > > > activities available after school that would
appeal to "at risk"
            > youth
            > > (I AM
            > > > > doing something about that with my involvement in
Latah County Youth
            > > > > Advocacy Council), but I don't think can jump on
board with the whole
            > > > > "there's nothing to do here" claim.
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Jennifer L. Ingalls
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >
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