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<DIV><SPAN class=500310109-17012009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Donovan,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500310109-17012009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You're
right, Community's do often loose <U>a lot</U> of matter over time. While
most of us are aware of its additions, as time passes there is an inverse
awareness of its losses. As much as Historical Society's try to preserve
the past, they have only the relics, photos and fossils that remain.
As individuals trying to preserve the past we have our memories. We have
our experiences of the past. I cherish those memories brought on by a
photo, a song, a scent, a word, or a name. Maybe some of our
memories can be sustained or rekindled close-to reality, but most are
to remain ephemeral. But such is Life...and our <FONT
color=#000000><STRONG><EM>raison d'être</EM></STRONG> </FONT>is to <U>make</U>
our own memories [experiences] and select from the opportunities they bring
us. It is an individual's choice to select one's path, no matter what of
the past. You can make your future fun with new experiences - at least I
<U>think</U> I'm doing it (my memories will tell.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=500310109-17012009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best
reagrds to you too,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500310109-17012009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Mark</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Donovan Arnold<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Carl Westberg; vision2020@moscow.com; mark
seman<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of
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<DIV>When I was kid, we went to University Four, The Bowling Ally, and
the Roller Skating Rink. We also visited many of the locally
owned shops in the Palouse Mall, and ate the Pantry and Nobby Inn.
Sadly, I don't think any of that is still around. In High School me and
my friends use to ditch class, sneak on the back bumper of a particular
UPS truck (unbeknown or uncaring driver) that went down the 6Th St.
Hill to UI where we jumped off and went into the Recreation Center in
the basement of the SUB. After school was suppose to be out, we went to
my friend Jerry's place, which was in Married Student Housing. It was
fun. It is sad all of those fun places are no longer in Moscow. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/16/09, mark <SPAN>seman</SPAN>
<I><baukunst@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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mark seman <baukunst@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I<BR>To: "Carl Westberg"
<idahovandal1@live.com>, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Friday,
January 16, 2009, 11:44 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=562141321-15012009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Our
[Heather's & my] younger years were filled with free things for us
to do with our son - Idler's Rest (tigers & bears in the
woods), UI Arboretum (treasure hunting for golf balls), White Ave.
(old land fill treasures), UI Grounds & Buildings (exhibits &
architecture, tubing), City parks (fields, courts, swings &
slides), Fair grounds, Hordeman's (sounds of redwing blackbirds,
herons), Paradise Creek, our yard, MJHS track, Courthouse (displays),
City Hall (art & displays), streets (biking & walking), UI
golf course (walking & golfing), tennis courts, Library (public
& UI), Moscow Mt., UI farm, galleries, UI Borah theater,
Micro Movie House, ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=562141321-15012009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Here's a pic of Carl's cousin (w/ friend) on AZ
rocks...hey, there's free stuff here too, even for
Moscovites.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=562141321-15012009><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><SPAN class=562141321-15012009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>ps
- the UI admin/academic system was lousy for non-traditional students
back then too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Carl
Westberg<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:12
PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of
I<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>When I was a kid growing up in Moscow, my
friends and I would head out to a playground with a couple of
baseballs, a couple of bats, and our mitts, and we were happier than
skunks eating bumblebees all day long. I do miss the
Bowlerama, though. Carl Westberg Jr.<BR><BR>> To:
kjajmix1@msn.com; keim153@gmail.com; jennifer@inlandradio.com;
vision2020@moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> From:
thansen@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:58:38
+0000<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities
(was U of I<BR>> <BR>> And how about BASEBALL??<BR>>
<BR>> You know? Baseball fields and such.<BR>> <BR>> (Hmmm.
Where have I heard this topic brought up before?)<BR>> <BR>>
Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> >
Ren Faire and Rendezvous, sand-volleyball courts and a dog
park!<BR>> > <BR>> > Keely<BR>> >
http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<BR>> > <BR>>
> <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > > Date: Thu, 15
Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0800<BR>> > > From:
keim153@gmail.com<BR>> > > To:
jennifer@inlandradio.com<BR>> > > CC:
vision2020@moscow.com; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> >
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of
I <BR>> Program<BR>> > Cuts)<BR>> > > <BR>>
> > Donovan:<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Have you
ever lived anywhere outside of Moscow? Especially in a<BR>> >
> similarly sized community? I have, several different places in
fact,<BR>> > > and I'm willing to bet you have not. For the
size town it is, Moscow<BR>> > > has an impressive list of
things for families to do. And, despite<BR>> > > your
incessant carping, a decent range of salaries, too. The key
is<BR>> > > that you have to compare apples to
apples.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Instead of listing what
you think the town doesn't have, maybe you<BR>> > > should
try being positive for a change. Perhaps the listserv will<BR>>
> > help you come up with a list of things to do in town. I'll
start:<BR>> > > Great restaurants<BR>> > > Nice
parks<BR>> > > Several art galleries<BR>> > > What
can you add, V2020?<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>>
> > <BR>> > > > From: Donovan Arnold
[mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com]<BR>> > > > Sent:
Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:30 AM<BR>> > > > To:
'vision 2020'; Jennifer Ingalls<BR>> > > > Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I<BR>>
Progra> m<BR>> > > > Cuts)<BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
> Jennifer,<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > I liked doing all those things
too as a child in Moscow. But lets <BR>> face<BR>> >
it,<BR>> > > > there is only so some many times you can
visit the McConnell Mansion<BR>> be> fore<BR>> > >
> it no longer entertaining to a child. And camping doesn't
count<BR>> because> you<BR>> > > > have to leave
Moscow to go do it.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > If you are an
outdoors type of person, there are lots of things to<BR>> do>
in<BR>> > > > North Idaho. But for many people that are
not, it leaves something<BR>> to> be<BR>> > > >
desired.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > > > One of the biggest complaints I
heard from students was that there <BR>> was<BR>> > >
> nothing to do in Moscow, and why so many people supported the
Student<BR>> > > > Recreation Building, which is more
like a glorified and over priced<BR>> I> daho<BR>> >
> > Athletic Club with a climbing wall then a recreation
center for<BR>> differe> nt<BR>> > > > kinds of
recreational activities.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > I do not think I
have found a mother at UI that thought Moscow's<BR>> daycar> e
was<BR>> > > > inexpensive. There is a huge waiting list
too.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > > What few things there are to do in
Moscow, also cost a lot of<BR>> money> , which<BR>> >
> > is hard to afford when you have no money, because there
are no jobs<BR>> t> hat pay<BR>> > > > above what
you need to scrape by.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > There is less to
do in Moscow now then was when my Mother was child <BR>>
in<BR>> > > > Moscow.<BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > We have
no bowling alley. We have no roller skating ring. We have no<BR>>
IM> ax<BR>> > > > Theater. We have fewer quality
restaurants. We have no high tech <BR>> gaming<BR>> > >
> center. We have no science discovery park, we have no big
museums.<BR>> No> race<BR>> > > > cars. No theme
parks, no big fancy hangouts, we don't even really<BR>> h> ave
a<BR>> > > > year round swimming pool,<BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
> The best thing Moscow has for entertainment is the Library.
Which is <BR>> a<BR>> > great<BR>> > > >
library, but hardly the place that comes to mind when we want
to<BR>> thin> k about<BR>> > > >
entertainment.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > Yes, you can always THINK of
something to do in Moscow, but that<BR>> is> the<BR>> >
> > problem, you really have to THINK, to find something to
do. Its<BR>> Mid> night in<BR>> > > > Moscow,
besides the bars and the Jack N the Crack drive-thru, what<BR>>
> is open?<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > > Best Regards,<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > Donovan<BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Jennifer Ingalls
<jennifer@inlandradio.com><BR>> wr> ote:<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > > > From: Jennifer Ingalls
<jennifer@inlandradio.com><BR>> > > > Subject:
[Vision2020] Family-Friendly Activities (was U of I Program<BR>>
Cu> ts)<BR>> > > > To: "'vision 2020'"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> > > > Date:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 1:27 PM<BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > > I don't necessarily want to get into the argument
about diversity in<BR>> Mo> scow<BR>> > > > or at
UI, but I do take some issue with Donovan's statement, "Not<BR>>
t> o mention<BR>> > > > the lack of affordable child
care, or family fun activities."<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > I grew up in
Moscow and though my family had more money than families<BR>>
w> here<BR>> > > > a student is the primary financier
of the household, we were not at<BR>> a> loss<BR>> >
> > for family-friendly free activities (unless we were
willfully bored).<BR>> T> his<BR>> > > > is not to
say that we can't do better as a community at providing <BR>>
free<BR>> > > > and/or inexpensive activities, but I
think many of us forget those<BR>> th> ings<BR>> > >
> that are available to us. For example, I
–regretfully—cannot<BR>> reme> mber the<BR>> > > >
last time I went to the McConnell Mansion or picked up a walking
tour<BR>> g> uide<BR>> > > > of the towns history
and hoofed it through Fort Russell (two<BR>> activities>
that<BR>> > > > occupied Spring and Summer days of my
youth). The library (which I<BR>> reme> mber<BR>> > >
> as only being the old part of the building) was cool in the
Summer <BR>> and<BR>> > warm<BR>> > > > in the
Winter. Organizations like Campfire, Boy Scouts, Girl<BR>>
Scouts> and<BR>> > > > local churches provided the
three of us a lot of fun and educational<BR>> > > >
activities (both our family's church of choice and the churches
or<BR>> reli> gious<BR>> > > > organizations of
friends). My mom used to take us to Good Sam to<BR>> distri>
bute<BR>> > > > our wares after craft days at the house.
We'd ride bikes out to<BR>> Robinso> n<BR>> > > >
Lake Park , "fish" in Hordeman's pond, or take advantage of all
the<BR>> > > > demonstrations, concerts and educational
lectures the University<BR>> offe> red.<BR>> > > >
There were a lot of things to do!<BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > I'll
grant that I was a nerdy kid (still am). I, too, would love<BR>>
to> see more<BR>> > > > activities available after
school that would appeal to "at risk" <BR>> youth<BR>> > (I
AM<BR>> > > > doing something about that with my
involvement in Latah County Youth<BR>> > > > Advocacy
Council), but I don't think can jump on board with the whole<BR>>
> > > "there's nothing to do here" claim.<BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Jennifer L.
Ingalls<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> >
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