[Vision2020] Humane interrogations work

[Paul Rumelhart]

This isn't really in response to this post, it's just something I wanted 
to bring up.

Why don't we know very much about what preceded 9/11?  Why aren't the 
names of every Al-Qaeda member that was complicit in the attacks on 
everyone's lips?  Why don't we know what their motives were with crystal 
clarity, despicable as they probably are?  Why haven't there been 
documentaries ad nausea about the days and weeks that preceded the 
attacks and what each member was doing along the way?

In my opinion, we should have handle the 9/11 crisis as a cooperative 
international dedicated criminal investigation.  Citizens of some tens 
of countries died that day.  We should have worked together to track 
them down and root them out.  Try them, then kill them if we're sure we 
have the right ones.  However, going in to some other country with guns 
blazing did nothing to help us find those responsible, and very likely 
made it impossible now.

If our only goal was to kill fundamentalist Muslims, then we did very 
well.  If we were actually interested in bringing those responsible to 
justice, we f*cked it up royally.

Paul


a wrote:
> Well hampster, heres a few areas where you're wrong.
>  
> Point 1. We put prisoners of war in prisoner of war camps because 
> there WERE prisioners of war. The detainees at Gitmo are not POW's and 
> are not subject to the Geneva convention.
>  
> Point 2. What does winning the war have to do with anything? It sounds 
> to me as though you are using the might makes right argument.
>  
> Point 3. What moral high ground? We have just been informed that WW II 
> was violent US policey to force others to conform in our image.
>  
> I guess that it was awfully inconsiderate of us to position our fleet 
> underneath Yamamoto's torpedo bombers and incredibly boorish of our 
> allies in England to leave London laying around where it could 
> interfere with the landing of German ordinance. We are bastards aren't we?
>  
> g
>
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>     *From:* Tom Hansen <mailto:idahotom at hotmail.com>
>     *To:* smith at turbonet.com <mailto:smith at turbonet.com> ;
>     garrettmc at verizon.net <mailto:garrettmc at verizon.net> ;
>     jampot at roadrunner.com <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com> ; Vision 2020
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>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:32 AM
>     *Subject:* RE: [Vision2020] Humane interrogations work
>
>     g stated:
>      
>     "Let me get this straight. Imperial Japan and Adolph Hitler and
>     the Nazi's were the recipients of 'violent US policy against
>     people the US wanted to conform in it's image.'"
>      
>     Golly, gee, g . . .
>      
>     Back then there was no GITMO.  There were no secret CIA camps
>     created for "interrogations"; just your regular American
>     prisoner-of-war camps, all 512 of them (one of which was located
>     in the vicinity of Fort Bliss, Texas, that I posted about
>     earlier), operated in compliance with the Geneva Convention
>     accords.  And, if our history books are correct (and me and my
>     public education have no reason to doubt them), we not only won
>     that war (aka "The Great Hate"), but, as the war concluded, the
>     United States had its feet firmly planted on the moral highground.
>      
>     Now, concerning the current war, the one in Iraq that nobody is
>     winning, and concerning GITMO, the camp that cost the United
>     States its moral credibility, you were saying . . .
>      
>     Seeya in the bread lines, Moscow.
>      
>     Tom Hansen
>     Moscow, Idaho
>      
>
>     "For a lapsed Lutheran born-again Buddhist pan-Humanist
>     Universalist Unitarian Wiccan Agnostic like myself there's really
>     no reason ever to go to work."
>
>      
>
>     - Roy Zimmerman
>
>
>
>
>      
>     > From: smith at turbonet.com
>     > To: garrettmc at verizon.net; jampot at roadrunner.com;
>     vision2020 at moscow.com
>     > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:42:00 -0800
>     > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Humane interrogations work
>     >
>     > Reading your list of possible other people who could have a
>     vendetta against
>     > the US, g, leads to one common demoninator: violent US policy
>     against people
>     > the US wanted to conform in it's image.
>     >
>     > Let me get this straight. Imperial Japan and Adolph Hitler and
>     the Nazi's
>     > were the recipients of "violent US policy against people the US
>     wanted to
>     > conform in it's image."
>     >
>     > You're to much.
>     >
>     > g
>
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