[Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

[g. crabtree]

"It doesn't seem as productive or sustainable putting more faith on service 
or retail jobs than on value added ones, such as farming, seemingly a better 
use of resources. The reason water isn't used to irrigate farm land around 
here is because water is perceived to be limited."

Assuming limitless amounts of low cost water, what irrigation dependant crop 
do you imagine might be raised that would provide the number of jobs and 
regional income that a retail operation such as Hawkins will provide? Seeing 
as one farmer and perhaps two or three hired hands can easily manage acreage 
many times larger then the amount of land encompassed by the new shopping 
center, I'm at a loss as to what miracle crop you might have in mind.

g

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder


> Donovan,
>
> Do you really think there is plenty of locally produced food and water 
> here, but not plenty of retail shopping, selling primarily foreign goods? 
> I come to the opposite conclusion.
>
> It doesn't seem as productive or sustainable putting more faith on service 
> or retail jobs than on value added ones, such as farming, seemingly a 
> better use of resources. The reason water isn't used to irrigate farm land 
> around here is because water is perceived to be limited.
>
> There are other ways to create jobs in our region than building a credit 
> dependent megamall, the essence of which has now been exposed as highly 
> dependent on government subsidies.
>
> I'm not sure why you think Hawkins will be more user friendly than the 
> PEM, probably because I'm too cynical and see this predatory development 
> has hawk in its name for a reason...
>
> gc
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]  Sen Schroeder
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, garrettmc at verizon.net
>> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:26 PM
>> Garrett,
>>
>> There is plenty of water and food here in Idaho. Idahoans
>> need jobs. There are no jobs in Moscow. The Mall will only
>> compete with the Palouse Empire Mall, which long ago
>> abandoned the interests of local shop owners, business
>> investors, and shoppers.
>>
>> Moscow residents are banned from having stores in the PEM.
>> The PEM wants nothing to do with Moscow residents other than
>> to take our money to Spokane. The Hawkins Mall will have
>> local businesses from Moscow. It will employ Moscow
>> residents. Who will turn pay taxes in Idaho and on property
>> owned in Idaho. Idaho shoppers will get products here,
>> rather than Spokane or Lewiston.
>>
>> Sure, the property tax on the Mall will go to Whitman. But
>> that is small compared to what we will get in return, jobs
>> and industry.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Garrett Clevenger
>> <garrettmc at verizon.net> wrote:
>> From: Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net>
>> Subject: [Vision2020]  Sen Schroeder
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 7:51 PM
>>
>> As a farmer, it saddens me to know some think it's
>> acceptable to use water
>> and farmland to build an unneeded $100 million mega-mall,
>> one designed to
>> compete with Moscow. Thinking we'll be wasting water on
>> the very symbol of
>> why America is losing power, instead of using it to grow
>> food, makes me
>> understand why we just let the 21st century robber barons
>> swindle our coffers
>> with the the greatest and most costly scam ever.
>>
>> You may think it's ok to let these same people profit
>> from a crucial
>> natural resource, but that does nothing to ensure water,
>> and food, are
>> affordable, safe, and readily accessible to us.
>>
>> Perhaps in 2020 people will love Hawkins, but I have my
>> suspicion economies are
>> going to be radically changed, and priorities about what is
>> important will lean
>> more toward appreciation of conservation. Limiting use of
>> water for commercial
>> develop, to insure cheap water is available for everyone
>> else, seems like wise
>> planning to me...
>>
>> Garrett Clevenger
>>
>>
>>
>> Donovan Arnold writes Sun Feb 15 20:58:12 PST 2009:
>>
>>
>> You know, you people that think we should cut off the
>> spigot to our neighbors
>> and to other states that we depend upon for other reasons,
>> does nothing, because
>> the Federal Courts will not allow the State of Idaho deny
>> other states in the
>> Union water unless we can prove we would die if we shared
>> it, or we are not
>> being paid a fair price.
>>
>> You also know that Native Americans still own a lot of the
>> water you are
>> drinking in Idaho, and if Idaho can shut down
>> Washington's water supply,
>> Natives can certainly shut down yours too. So be careful
>> what powers you wish
>> local governments to have.
>>
>> Everyone has a right to water if it is available. When we
>> make water less
>> affordable, it is really the farmers and the poor, who are
>> mostly children,
>> elderly, and disabled, that suffer, not the asshole
>> politicians that play games
>> with natural resources. You didn't do anything to bring
>> or produce the water
>> in Idaho. So don't be telling others they are not
>> entitled to have water.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Donovan
>>
>>
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