[Vision2020] Sen Schroeder

[Donovan Arnold]

Garrett,

Yes, I do think that Moscow has plenty of farming going on. Google Earth the Palouse Region and you will see most of land is used for farming, not businesses  There are not many places for small or medium businesses. I think small and medium businesses are what provide the best jobs. You cannot have just farms and a University and a expect to have thriving diverse economy. 

I disagree with your assessment that farmers don't use water because they think it is scarce. They don't use it because the soil does not need it and it becomes like axle grease if you water it. 

I think there are unmet market demands which would support more businesses in the region. I also think that it is inevitable that the corridor will develop. The only question is if we want to build on our side of the corridor, like with the Hawkins Mall, or have it placed on the Pullman side of the corridor where it will employ people in Pullman and pull Moscow shoppers over there. It makes more sense to bring Pullman shoppers over here, than to send Moscow shoppers over there. 

You also cannot draw people and other jobs to the region if you don't have stores and businesses to meet the needs of the people. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

 

--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net> wrote:
From: Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sen Schroeder
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:52 PM

Donovan,

Do you really think there is plenty of locally produced food and water here,
but not plenty of retail shopping, selling primarily foreign goods? I come to
the opposite conclusion.

It doesn't seem as productive or sustainable putting more faith on service
or retail jobs than on value added ones, such as farming, seemingly a better use
of resources. The reason water isn't used to irrigate farm land around here
is because water is perceived to be limited.

There are other ways to create jobs in our region than building a credit
dependent megamall, the essence of which has now been exposed as highly
dependent on government subsidies.

I'm not sure why you think Hawkins will be more user friendly than the PEM,
probably because I'm too cynical and see this predatory development has hawk
in its name for a reason...

gc



--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]  Sen Schroeder
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com, garrettmc at verizon.net
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:26 PM
> Garrett,
> 
> There is plenty of water and food here in Idaho. Idahoans
> need jobs. There are no jobs in Moscow. The Mall will only
> compete with the Palouse Empire Mall, which long ago
> abandoned the interests of local shop owners, business
> investors, and shoppers. 
> 
> Moscow residents are banned from having stores in the PEM.
> The PEM wants nothing to do with Moscow residents other than
> to take our money to Spokane. The Hawkins Mall will have
> local businesses from Moscow. It will employ Moscow
> residents. Who will turn pay taxes in Idaho and on property
> owned in Idaho. Idaho shoppers will get products here,
> rather than Spokane or Lewiston. 
> 
> Sure, the property tax on the Mall will go to Whitman. But
> that is small compared to what we will get in return, jobs
> and industry. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Donovan
> 
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Garrett Clevenger
> <garrettmc at verizon.net> wrote:
> From: Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Vision2020]  Sen Schroeder
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 7:51 PM
> 
> As a farmer, it saddens me to know some think it's
> acceptable to use water
> and farmland to build an unneeded $100 million mega-mall,
> one designed to
> compete with Moscow. Thinking we'll be wasting water on
> the very symbol of
> why America is losing power, instead of using it to grow
> food, makes me
> understand why we just let the 21st century robber barons
> swindle our coffers
> with the the greatest and most costly scam ever.
> 
> You may think it's ok to let these same people profit
> from a crucial
> natural resource, but that does nothing to ensure water,
> and food, are
> affordable, safe, and readily accessible to us.
> 
> Perhaps in 2020 people will love Hawkins, but I have my
> suspicion economies are
> going to be radically changed, and priorities about what is
> important will lean
> more toward appreciation of conservation. Limiting use of
> water for commercial
> develop, to insure cheap water is available for everyone
> else, seems like wise
> planning to me...
> 
> Garrett Clevenger
> 
> 
> 
> Donovan Arnold writes Sun Feb 15 20:58:12 PST 2009:
> 
> 
> You know, you people that think we should cut off the
> spigot to our neighbors
> and to other states that we depend upon for other reasons,
> does nothing, because
> the Federal Courts will not allow the State of Idaho deny
> other states in the
> Union water unless we can prove we would die if we shared
> it, or we are not
> being paid a fair price. 
>  
> You also know that Native Americans still own a lot of the
> water you are
> drinking in Idaho, and if Idaho can shut down
> Washington's water supply,
> Natives can certainly shut down yours too. So be careful
> what powers you wish
> local governments to have. 
>  
> Everyone has a right to water if it is available. When we
> make water less
> affordable, it is really the farmers and the poor, who are
> mostly children,
> elderly, and disabled, that suffer, not the asshole
> politicians that play games
> with natural resources. You didn't do anything to bring
> or produce the water
> in Idaho. So don't be telling others they are not
> entitled to have water. 
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
> 
> 
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