[Vision2020] Why I (don't) Support Gay Marriage

[Joe Campbell]

I just want equal rights for all. Nothing more, nothing less.

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On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:08 AM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>  
wrote:

> "You can marry the one adult you want to marry but Mo cannot. That  
> is a clear double-standard. How is that not telling people who to  
> marry?"
>
> At best this would be an example of telling people who NOT to marry  
> not who they must. In reality any group of people can get together  
> for the ritual of their choice and refer to themselves however they  
> wish. You just want the next step. Forcing the rest of society to  
> acknowlage and support the fantasy. Miss Hendrickson has exactly the  
> same right in this regard as I do.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Campbell
> To: the lockshop
> Cc: g. crabtree ; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I (don't) Support Gay Marriage
>
> You keep bringing up the fact that something is or is not legal as  
> justification that it should or should not be legal. By that light,  
> you now have no complaint to offer in the smoking case. It IS  
> illegal to smoke in bars, so it should be! We're not deriving people  
> of rights; we're just following the law.
>
> You can marry the one adult you want to marry but Mo cannot. That is  
> a clear double-standard. How is that not telling people who to marry?
>
> As I said, it is a weird kind of political view that thinks smoking  
> in    public can't be regulated by the government but marriage  
> should be. And whatever it is it is not pro-freedom.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:11 AM, "the lockshop"  
> <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
>
>> That you don't understand comes as no big suprise. In the first  
>> instance an existing right, the right to indulge in a legal  
>> activity on private property, is stripped away at the insistance of  
>> a small group of zealots (I recall no mention of communist  
>> influence on my part) In the second, the government is NOT taking  
>> anything away. (from a slightly different small group of zealots)  
>> They are also NOT telling anyone who to marry. To claim they are  
>> is, as usual, silly, blatantly false, and makes no sense.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joe Campbell
>> To: g. crabtree
>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I Support Gay Marriage
>>
>> I don't understand someone who gets worked up because the  
>> local        government won't allow smoking in bars, who thinks  
>> that that is some kind of communist influence, but who thinks the  
>> government CAN tell folks who to marry, and anyone who says  
>> otherwise is acting like a child. It makes no sense.
>>
>> Your pal, Joe
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2009, at 6:51 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Are you suggesting that if one doesn't have and answer to this  
>>> question, then the state need not allow the marriage?"
>>>
>>> No. I was suggesting that it would make for a more useful and  
>>> interesting discussion than falling back on the same tactic that  
>>> most 5 year olds use when told no. "But I want it!" and "That's no  
>>> fair" followed by a stomp of the foot quickly become tedious and  
>>> really do very little to further the conversation.
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joe Campbell
>>> To: g. crabtree
>>> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I Support Gay Marriage
>>>
>>> Gary wrote: "Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in  
>>> which you being able to marry your partner is a benefit to me and/ 
>>> or society?" Can you answer this question, Gary? Are you  
>>> suggesting that if one doesn't have and answer to this question,  
>>> then the state need not allow the marriage? Should this be the  
>>> standard for what the state allows and what it doesn't e.g.  
>>> whether it is a benefit to society? Funny this didn't come up in  
>>> the smoking issue!
>>>
>>> Your pal, Joe
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:14 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you  
>>>> being able to marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or  
>>>> society?"
>>>
>>
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