[Vision2020] "Harsh" Interrogations -As ye sow, so shall you reep

[bear at moscow.com]

You have just proved my point that the terrorists HAVE already won when we loose the moral

high ground like that. 

Terrorists torture
Nazis torture
And now, based on what you'd advocate, we would too!

The END result does not justify the means!
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> Bear
> You are wrong on this.
> Because a confession was extracted fron this lady does not mean that she was a spy. What
we may have done at GITMO had no bearing on how Iran conducts interrogations. They would
use brutal tactics no matter what we do.
> As to our security I believe the following:
> 1. If an interrogator thinks that there is good reason to believe a detainee has
information of an impending attack and does not use what ever means is necessary to obtain
that information and 
> 2 There is a subsequent attack that results in a loss of life.then
> 3. Those interrogators should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty. 
> Former CIA Director Casey said that over 50% of the valid information about al-Quaeda
came
from detainees and that an attack on L.A was thwarted by information obtained from KSM.
> Roger
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: bear at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:50:18 -0700
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] "Harsh" Interrogations -As ye sow, so shall you reep
> 
> > Well, what we have said is fine, is now coming back to bite us.
> > 
> >  American-Iranian journalist Roxana Saberi was sentenced  to eight years' jail on
Saturday
> > after 
> > being convicted in a secret trial of spying for the United States. Her Iranian-born
> > father, Reza 
> > Saberi, says she may have been tricked into a confession, believing she would be
released
> > if 
> > she co-operated with the authorities. He said his daughter was so depressed by her
> > sentence - 
> > the harshest ever given to a dual national on security charges in Iran - that she is
> > threatening 
> > to go on hunger strike.
> > 
> > Will they force feed her like we have force fed the prisoners at Guantánamo Bay
Detention 
> > Camp when they have gone on hunger strikes? IF they do, what makes us think we have a
> > right 
> > to object?
> > 
> > Did they use enhanced interrogation techniques to discover that she was a spy? And
> > remember, 
> > she was arrested for SPYING. If she was in the United States could we have sued
enhanced

> > interrogation techniques?  US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said on BBC Radio 4
> > that 
> > since these methods are not intended to punish they do not violate the Eighth
Amendment
to
> > 
> > the United States Constitution, barring "cruel and unusual punishment", and as such
may
> > not 
> > be unconstitutional.
> > 
> > Well, we started this dog fight, now we pay. How do we get back on the moral high
ground

> > where this kind of behavior from ANY GOVERNMENT is wrong? I believe it starts with the

> > indictment and arrest of George W. Bush et al. Or don't they think they'd get a fair
> > trial? They 
> > sure as hell would get better treatment awaiting trial than they gave!
> > 
> > 
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