[Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
bear at moscow.com
bear at moscow.com
Fri Apr 17 16:22:51 PDT 2009
I'd have to do a bit of research to get more numbers for you Donovan, but off hand I can
think
of at least 9 people who were accused of murder that John Adams defended: Thomas Preston;
James Basset; William Wemms; Hugh Montgomery; John Carroll; James Hartigan; William
McCauley; William Warren and Matthew Kilroy.
And no Donovan, he didn't like them, didn't believe in what they represented. They were
the
soldiers accused of murder in the Boston Massacre on 5 March, 1770. Or do you think he was
just in it for the money?
And OK, we'll go with your cockamamie notion that lawyers should get paid based on minimum
wages or a multiple thereof. OK, but lets pay everyone on that basis. What do you think
you'd
be worth? How about Doctors? Nurses? College Presidents? Priests?
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> Defending the Constitution, my arse! Only a lawyer could turn freeing
child> abusing monsters into society a noble act worthy of self praise. Some of
y> ou don't even have the courage or spine to use your real names on here,
muc> h less take a real stand for what is right or to defend the
Constitution.>
>
> Tell me, how many child molesters, murders, and rapists did Thomas
Jefferso> n and John Adams, the original defenders of the Constitution, free.
>
> The moment lawyers decided to charge 25 times the minimum hourly wage
requi> red by the state, they violated Lady Justice by taking it firmly out of
t> he reach of those that need it the most. Any lawyer that charges $150+
an> hour for people they call victims, are their clients equal or greater
viol> ators.
>
> Lawyers aren't in it for JUSTICE. They are in it for money, lots and lots
o> f money.
>
> But even if you must agree that our Constitution calls for pond scum and
ha> s a needed purpose in society, it is still pond scum.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> To: "<bear at moscow.com>" <bear at moscow.com>
> Cc: "<vision2020 at moscow.com>" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 2:26 PM
>
>
> Me too!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Apr 17, 2009, at 3:25 PM, <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > Sunil,
> >
> > CONGRATULATIONS!
> >
> > You have now officially been pilloried for defending the
> > Constitution of the United
> > States!
> > I am proud to know you for that!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > ---
> > ---
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Well, it's a about damn time. Sunil's covert ninja-lawyering was
> >> really
> >> becoming creepy.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Jennifer
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.co> m
> >> ]
> >> On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:47 AM
> >> To: Donovan Arnold; vision 2020; Sunil Ramalingam
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> >>
> >> Is that true, Sunil?
> >>
> >> Are you, in fact, INTENTIONALLY being a lawyer?
> >>
> >> Tell us, arnold, what are you intentiionally being?
> >>
> >> Tommy Handson
> >>
> >>> Sunil
> >>>
> >>> I thought you might just honestly be confused, but now I know are
> >> int> entionally being a lawyer.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Donovan
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> >>> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:01 AM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> #yiv1986942131 .hmmessage P
> >>> {
> >>> margin:0px;padding:0px;}
> >>> #yiv1986942131 {
> >>> font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I've read it several times. It doesn't make your case.
> >>>
> >>> Sunil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:49:17 -0700
> >>> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sunil,
> >>>
> >>> Are you aware that a post preceded this post?:First, the Ten
> >>> Commandants
> >> sa> y to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?
> >>>
> >>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/062917.html
> >>>
> >>> I don't think you are. I think you think this was the start of the
> >> conversa> tion. And that you are unaware that this is the response
> >> to a
> >> question,
> >> not> the start of a new conversation.
> >>>
> >>> Read the post before this one that you quoted, Then get back to me.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Donovan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> >>> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:48 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> #yiv1986942131 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1035337694 .EC_hmmessage P
> >>> {padding:0px;}
> >>> #yiv1986942131 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1035337694
> >>> {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> #yiv1986942131 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1035337694 .EC_hmmessage P
> >>> {padding:0px;}
> >>> #yiv1986942131 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1035337694
> >>> {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}
> >>>
> >>> Here is your post in which you said
> >>> First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you
> >>> disagree?
> >>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/062917.html
> >>>
> >>> As you, or at least any honest person, can see, you then go on to
> >>> try to
> >> pr> ove your point by quoting Jesus. But what Jesus said was
not>
> >> one of
> >> t> he Ten Commandments.
> >>>
> >>> You never said 'The Ten Commandments, as I interpret them, or claim
> >> Catholi> c doctrine interprets them, say "Love your Neighbor."
> >>>
> >>> Here is Wayne's (Bear's) post in which he disagreed with you and
> >>> asked
> >> you
> >>> which commandment said that.
> >>>
> >>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/062919.html
> >>>
> >>> Hey look, I'm able to substantiate what I said! That puts me way
> >>> ahead of
> >> y> ou, Mr. Burning Pants.
> >>>
> >>> Sunil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:02:54 -0700
> >>> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> >>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sunil,
> >>>
> >>> Please quote what you believe to be the original question, and
> >>> point to
> >> whe> re Wayne references the term Ten Commandments in it.
> >>>
> >>> Your inability to do so, I believe, will show any dishonesty.
> >>>
> >>> "Donovan has taken Jesus' statement and tried to pretend it's one
> >>> of the
> >> Te> n Commandments."
> >>>
> >>> I am not pretending, that is your job, not mine. I have
> >> to actually pro> duce something.besides twisty words.
> >>>
> >>> According to the Catholic Church, the Ten Commandments do encompass
> >> Lovin> g God and Loving thy Neighbor. I tried to explain that by
> >> quoting
> >> Jesus
> >> fro> m Matthew and providing a link to Wikipedia that explains it.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to reject the Catholic interpretation of the Ten
> >>> Commandants,
> >> o> r the Teachings of Christ, that is your choice. But I am not
> >> pretending. I
> >>> have reason to do so.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Donovan
> >>>
> >>> --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> >>> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:00 AM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> #yiv1986942131 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1035337694 .EC_ExternalClass
> >> #EC_EC_yi> v1089792529 .EC_EC_hmmessage P
> >>> {padding:0px;}
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> >> #EC_EC_yi> v1089792529
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> >>>
> >>> I've looked at the thread, and Wayne's account below is absolutely
> >> correct.
> >>>
> >>> An honest person will be able to acknowledge that.
> >>>
> >>> Donovan has taken Jesus' statement and tried to pretend it's one
> >>> of the
> >> Ten> Commandments.
> >>>
> >>> Sunil
> >>>
> >>>> To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com;
> >> vision2020> @moscow.com
> >>>> From: bear at moscow.com
> >>>> Subject: BACK to the Original Question
> >>>> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:19:42 +0000
> >>>>
> >>>> Donovan,
> >>>>
> >>>> YOU wrote: "First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your
> >>>> Neighbor". Do
> >> yo> u disagree?"
> >>>>
> >>>> And YES, I do disagree. NO WHERE in the Ten Commandments does it
> >>>> say
> >> that> ! And you have
> >>>> offered no reasonably accepted answer to back up your spurious
> >>>> claim
> >> that> it is the TEN
> >>>> COMMANDMENTS.
> >>>>
> >>>> And not only did you misquote me, but you took the discussion
> >> completely
> >>> out of context!
> >>>>
> >>>> MY words, the way I wrote them and the way they are on Vision 2020
> >> are:"
> >>> You state below
> >>>> that
> >>>> 'God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them',
where? >
> >>>> In
> >> the
> >>> Bible?"
> >>>>
> >>>> So before you call Sunil a snake and accuse him of slithering,
> >>>> answer
> >> the> original
> >>>> question, WHERE
> >>>> in the bible does it say, " .... not to sell and abuse " your
> >>>> neighbor?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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