[Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question

Fri Apr 17 08:15:06 PDT 2009

Bear,

None of the OT 10 commandments directly say "love thy neighbor." But, I think it is part of the First Commandment. I may be wrong. But I think Loving God and your neighbor, is. That is what I was taught in CCD and at Sunshine Summer, and from my conversations with my Priest. Love thy neighbor, and love God, the most important, and the first commandment. 

I do see your argument that it doesn't directly spell it out in any commandments. But in the Catechism it does, and that is what I look at for explanations as the meaning of things in the Bible. I don't read the KJV of the Bible, I don't think it works like that. Catholics don't really read the Bible and interpret. It is done for us by Bible Scholars and put into context for us. I don't think anyone on the V is really able to explain or understand the Bible enough to argue it successfully. 

No, I certainly am not a shining example of loving my neighbor. Especially lawyers. I think everyone that knows me, knows that I loathe lawyers. Especially ones that free child molesters and are intentionally dishonest. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

From: bear at moscow.com <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:53 AM

Donovan, and Visionaries,

Donovan you're wrong and just wiggling now. I'll get you off the hook and ask a straight 
forward question:

YOU stated, "First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Simple question,
WHICH 
ONE of the TEN COMMANDMENTS says that?

If you can't answer it, it ends this discussion of which you are so ill equipped to
participate in.

And I love how YOU demonstrate how YOU love your neighbors by verbally abusing Sunil and 
calling him names! A great example!  
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> Oh, I've read it several times. It doesn't make your case.
> 
> Sunil
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:49:17 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> 
> Sunil,
>  
> Are you aware that a post preceded this post?:First, the Ten Commandants
> say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?
> 
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/062917.html
> 
> I don't think you are. I think you think this was the start of the
conversa> tion. And that you are unaware that this is the response to a question,
n> ot the start of a new conversation. 
>  
> Read the post before this one that you quoted, Then get back to me. 
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wro> te:
> 
> 
> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:48 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here is your post in which you said 
> First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do you disagree?
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/062917.html
> 
> As you, or at least any honest person, can see, you then go on to
try>  to prove  your point by quoting Jesus.  But what Jesus said was not one
of>  the Ten Commandments.
> 
> You never said 'The Ten Commandments, as I interpret them, or claim
Cat> holic doctrine interprets them, say "Love your Neighbor." 
> 
> Here is Wayne's (Bear's) post in which he disagreed with you and asked you
> which commandment said that.
> 
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-April/062919.html
> 
> Hey look, I'm able to substantiate what I said! That puts me way ahead
of>  you, Mr. Burning Pants.
> 
> Sunil
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:02:54 -0700
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sunil,
>  
> Please quote what you believe to be the original question, and point to
w> here Wayne references the term Ten Commandments in it.
>  
> Your inability to do so, I believe, will show any dishonesty. 
>  
> "Donovan has taken Jesus' statement and tried to pretend it's one of the
Te> n Commandments."
>  
> I am not pretending, that is your job, not mine. I have to actually
pro> duce something.besides twisty words. 
>  
> According to the Catholic Church, the Ten Commandments do encompass
Lovin> g God and Loving thy Neighbor. I tried to explain that by quoting Jesus
fro> m Matthew and providing a link to Wikipedia that explains it. 
>  
> If you want to reject the Catholic interpretation of the Ten
Commandants,>  or the Teachings of Christ, that is your choice. But I am not
pretending> .. I have reason to do so. 
>   
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Donovan
> 
> --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
wro> te:
> 
> 
> From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BACK to the Original Question
> To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:00 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've looked at the thread, and Wayne's account below is absolutely
correc> t.
> 
> An honest person will be able to acknowledge that. 
> 
> Donovan has taken Jesus' statement and tried to pretend it's one of the
Ten>  Commandments. 
> 
> Sunil
> 
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com;
vision> 2020 at moscow.com
> > From: bear at moscow.com
> > Subject: BACK to the Original Question
> > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:19:42 +0000
> > 
> > Donovan,
> > 
> > YOU wrote: "First, the Ten Commandants say to "Love your Neighbor". Do
> you disagree?"
> > 
> > And YES, I do disagree. NO WHERE in the Ten Commandments does it say
th> at! And you have 
> > offered no reasonably accepted answer to back up your spurious claim
that>  it is the TEN 
> > COMMANDMENTS.
> > 
> > And not only did you misquote me, but you took the discussion
completel> y out of context!
> > 
> > MY words, the way I wrote
>  them and the way they are on Vision 2020 are:" You state below
> > that 
> > 'God says to love your neighbor, not sell and abuse them', where? In
> the Bible?"
> > 
> > So before you call Sunil a snake and accuse him of slithering, answer
t> he original
> > question, WHERE 
> > in the bible does it say, " .... not to sell and abuse " your neighbor?
> > 
> > 
> > 
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