[Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
Saundra Lund
sslund_2007 at verizon.net
Wed Apr 1 09:11:22 PDT 2009
Y'all are making it far more complicated that it needs to be :-) You don't
need to change religions or start any -- it's all a matter of "conscience,"
which simply means "the religious, ethical, or moral principles held by any
person."
So, we can all go to pharmacy school, and then use the pharmacies to ram our
moral principles down the unsuspecting throats of the vulnerable: those in
medical need. In Idaho, pharmacies will be the churches of the twenty-first
century! YeeHAW!
Since contrary to the lies The Swill wants us to believe HB 216 *doesn't*
only apply only to "family planning" medications, I can see a pharmacist
having a moral principle that humans have become too pill happy when it
comes to dealing with depression (for instance) and refusing to dispense the
appropriately prescribed medications. Suicides could result, but WAIT!
There would be no liability because Idaho was STUPID enough to pass laws to
protect holier than thou pharmacists and to prohibit the businesses that
hire them from protecting the public. The families left behind would be
devastated what with children without fathers or mothers, and some would
undoubtedly require government assistance to provide the necessaries for
their children, but what the heck, right? The anti-choice movement (that's
who's brilliant minds are behind this piece of garbage) doesn't give a rip
as long as they get their way by hook or by crook.
Yeah, this law was an absolutely brilliant move on the part of those who
lack the brains God gave a billy goat. I think it's totally brilliant that
its proponents have now given employers the green light to stick their noses
into "the religious, ethical, or moral principles" held by their employees
or potential employees.
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:58 AM
To: suehovey at moscow.com; ophite at gmail.com; vpschwaller at gmail.com; vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
Y'all may be on to something there, Sue and Andreas.
Further, considering what little it takes to start a "religion" here in
Idaho, we can start our own.
Contact me off-list. I have some really wild "religion" ideas, many of them
legal.
Heck! What am I saying. Thanks to HB216, they're ALL legal.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
Self-ordained minister and pharmacist of "Hansen Free-lance Retail
Pharmaceuticals"
> Sure, you can't be forced to dispense what you don't believe in, and
> discrimination in hiring based on religious practice is illegal.
> Andreas, I'll join, too, and be your assistant. Let's pick a nice,
> warm, sunny place to begin our respective careers, OK?
>
> Sue H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andreas Schou
> To: Glenn Schwaller
> Cc: vision2020
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] House Bill 216 (Pharmacist Conscience Bill)
>
>
> Awesome. I'm going to convert to Christian Science and go to pharmacy
> school. Easiest. Job. Ever. And guaranteed by law!
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Glenn Schwaller
> <vpschwaller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmmm . . . I suspect once again that, once again, Moscow Tom is
> confused over what "really is" as opposed to what he wants something to
> be. I can see no wording in HO216 whatsoever that would support MT's
> claim that this bill "allows potential employers to evaluate a
> pharmacist's job application." Where do you get this stuff?!?!
>
> Allow me to direct you to the one salient section that apparently MT
> didn't bother to read carefully (or at all), 54-1718A Paragraph (3)
> which states:
>
> "It shall be unlawful to discriminate against ANY (my caps) person
> based upon his or her declining to dispense or distribute pharmaceutical
> care or a drug or drugs that violate his or her conscience."
>
> I think it is safe to say this is on point with respect to any
> potential discriminatory hiring practices.
>
> GS
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
> What I am concerned with is . . .
>
> House Bill 216 allows potential employers to evaluate a
> pharmacist's job
> application on the applicant's religious, moral, and ethical
> values.
>
> "Sorry, Matt. But we here at Smith's Pharmacy feel that your
> pro-life
> ethic may adversely impact upon your duties when it comes to
> filling some
> of our most loyal customers' prescriptions."
>
> How is that right?
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> > > In closing:
> > >
> > > http://www.fda.gov/CDER/DRUG/infopage/planB/planBQandA.htm
> > >
> > > Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent
> pregnancy.
>
> Pla> n B
>
> > > acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the
> ovary
> (ovulatio> n).
> > > It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If
> fertilizati> on
> > > does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching
> to the
> wom> b
> > > (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to
> taking Plan
> B,
> > > Plan B will not work.
> > >
> > > So, if you think a fertilized embryo is human, Plan B
> can cause
> > > abortions. Pesky things, those semantics.
> > >
> > If it's your position that birth control is itself abortion,
> you're at
> odds
> > with even the Catholic church's maximalist position on abortion.
> >
> > --ACS
> >
>
>
>
>
> Join us at The First Annual Intolerista Wingding, April 17th,
> featuring
> Roy Zimmerman and Jeanne McHale. For details go to . . .
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com/Wingding
>
> Seeya
> there.
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