[Vision2020] Obama Does Not Support Infanticide

[g. crabtree]

So you're saying that the redundancy of the bill was what The Anointed One found so distressing? How do you square that with Mr. Giers statement that "Obama and his Democratic colleagues objected to the bill (giving any fetus born alive the status of a person) because they thought it was unconstitutional and (most importantly) that it undermined Roe v. Wade." 
There is a difference between outright murder and neglecting "the by-product of a medical procedure" until it quits squirming and inevitably breathing. This, among other things, was what the bill addressed.

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <nickgier at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama Does Not Support Infanticide


> Gary --
> 
> Would the fact that the Illinois Attorney General had released a
> determination that what was prevented in the bill was *already* a
> crime change your mind? Murdering a newborn infant is -- no great
> surprise -- murder. Consider also that reports of the murder of
> newborn children at hospitals were based on wildly perjurious
> testimony.
> 
> -- ACS
> 
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:28 PM, g. crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Ask Mr. Gier. I was quoting the exact wording contained in his
>> rationalization for wonder boys position.  I am such a radical extremist
>> that I would go so far as to grant full protection of the constitution to
>> all human beings pre birth or post. Most especially the tenth amendment.
>> Bye, bye Roe.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <nickgier at roadrunner.com>;
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Obama Does Not Support Infanticide
>>
>>
>>> Crabtree stated:
>>>
>>> "Gier states 'Obama and his Democratic colleagues objected to the bill
>>> (giving any fetus born alive the status of a person) because they thought
>>> it was unconstitutional and that it undermined Roe v. Wade.' I find it
>>> amazing that anyone could find this position reasonable or even rational."
>>>
>>> Crabtree:  What do you mean by "any fetus born alive"?  My junior high
>>> biology class taught me that once a child is born, it is no longer a
>>> fetus.  In that manner, I do believe that any child borm alive is IN FACT
>>> a person.
>>>
>>> Please clarify.
>>>
>>> Hansen
>>>
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